Just Sayin....

[sirs]

[Xavier_Onassis]

The invasion of Iraq was "Shock and Awe", which was nothing at all like terrorism. The intent was to treat the Iraqis to an enjoyable fireworks display.

It resulted in far more people killed, wounded and driven from their homes and countries, but of course, it was not terrorism, because they were not Americans.

The Israeli attacks on Gaza of course, were not terrorism because the women and children killed and made homeless DESERVED it. The casualties of Gazans far surpassed those of the Israelis because they DESERVED IT.

And of course, because the Americans who were mostly Christians and the Israelis were mostly Jews and they did not mention their religions, it could not possibly be terrorism.

[sirs]

News flash...war does not = terrorism

Terrorism is the specfic effort by an individual or group, and not a government, to target and kill innocent men, women, and children, in the name of some ideological cause, religious cause, or simply hatred

Now, try again

[Xavier_Onassis]

The entire idea of "shock and awe" was to terrorize the Iraqis into surrendering.

The only difference is that the terrorism by the US military and the Israelis was that they were better organized. And lots more people go killed.

[sirs]

Terrorism is the specfic effort by an individual or group, and not a government, to target and kill innocent men, women, and children, in the name of some ideological cause, religious cause, or simply hatred

Now, try again

[Xavier_Onassis]

The results of war are the same as those for terrorism. The difference is that war kills more people.

[sirs]

Under your parameters, every war is a terrorist act...WWII was a terrorist act...our War in Bosnia, under Clinton, was a terrorist act....our Revolutionary war to gain our Independence was a terrorist act....our Civil war which brought about the end of legalized slavery was a terrorist act.....which is why I made it clear, and that the picture helps reinforce, that there IS a difference between war and acts of terrorism.  And since 911, not one single terrorist act has been performed by any Christian group/organization or Jewish group/organization.  Results aren't the point here....intentions are, and by whom

[Xavier_Onassis]

All wars involve terrorism since they stopped fighting as they did in Napoleonic times, with two armies  facing one another on a predesignated battle field.

But the fact is that Christian Americans and the Israeli Defense Forces have killed more civilians than have the Muslim terrorists. 

Terrorism is a tactic of those who are essentially too weak to fight a real war. The US Army and the IDF do not fit that description, and they do not shout religious slogans as they charge into battle. But they are far more murderous.

[sirs]

Like I just said, per your parameters, every war is terrorism.  Since those aren't the parameters we're using here, and more along the lines of actual terrorist efforts, as in groups that target and kill innocent men women and children, in the name of some religion/ideolgy/or just plain hatred

[Xavier_Onassis]

So somehow, if 100 people are killed because some soldiers were told to kill them with a bomb, that is okay, but if some fanatic blows up ten people out of hate, that is worse?

So the body count is of no importance here?

[Plane]

  Frankly I would rather fight 1200 terrorists armed with small bombs and rifles than one AC-130 or two A-10 aircraft.

   Terrorists operate against such overwhelming forces by being hidden or surrounded by hostages .

   

[sirs]

So true

[Xavier_Onassis]

That pretty much proves my point. War is worse than terrorism.

[sirs]

And without war, we would have never become the U.S......meaning, sometimes war is a last but necessary resort.  And this country in particular, does what it can to minimize innocent loss of life.  Can't say the same now for terrorists, and their intentions....which is to inflict as much injury and death on innocent men, women, & children.  And pretty much proving the point of the pic that started this thread, in that there are ZERO terrorist attacks by any Christian or Jewish organizations, in the name of God, since 911

[Xavier_Onassis]

Without war, we would be.... Canadians! The Horror! The Horror! I imagine had we been Canadians, there would not have been a need to have a horrible Civil War end slavery. I think Parliament  did this by decree in 1833 with a minor amount of resistance in the entire Empire.

But seriously, the  existence of the US has never depended on this country invading Iraq or Afghanistan.

The War in Iraq was organized terrorism. "Shock and Awe" is terrorism. Arbitrary arrest of waterboarding of suspects is terrorism.