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Re: Ben Carson thinks Charles Darwin was encouraged by SATAN?
« Reply #45 on: October 02, 2015, 10:40:19 AM »
Five years is not "abruptly".

Compared to decades if not longer, of course it is. 

Every Christian is going to believe that Satan tries to influence everyone, including ourselves.  That includes your precious Obama, whether he makes that public or not
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Re: Ben Carson thinks Charles Darwin was encouraged by SATAN?
« Reply #46 on: October 02, 2015, 11:57:53 AM »
It is not required to believe in Satan or demons to be a Christian.

Most educated clerics do not believe in Satan as an actual entity.


Jesus' belief in demons is one of the lesser regarded bits in the New Testament.

You just NEVER see a preacher casting demons into swine.

There are snake handlers, and Jesus was not actually into playing with snakes himself, but casting demons into pigs is one of those Jesus things that has not worked out.

I imagine that walking on water has been tried rather a lot of times, with poor results.
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Re: Ben Carson thinks Charles Darwin was encouraged by SATAN?
« Reply #47 on: October 02, 2015, 12:20:32 PM »
It is not required to believe in Satan or demons to be a Christian.

Spoken like a true agnostic....Yes....it does

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Re: Ben Carson thinks Charles Darwin was encouraged by SATAN?
« Reply #48 on: October 02, 2015, 03:04:58 PM »
The problem is not about theocracy, it is about how people make decisions.

Note the myth of the Tower of Babel: the people of Babel built a tower soooooo effing high they almost reached Heaven. God could nopt abide that, so he destroyed their tower and magically made them all speak different languages.

I can see Leonardo da Vinci threatened by the Holy Office (Inquistion) for trying to build a flying machine. The Montgolfier Brothers, the Wright Brothers, Langley and Santos Dumont and of course NASA. Because they not only tried to go into the Heavens, but actually did so.

I note than God has not messed with Voyager or the Mars expeditions.

Seriously, someone who thinks Satan is the enemy of the country could be dangerous.  The Adventists are pretty nutty people. They do live longer, being vegetarians and all.

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Re: Ben Carson thinks Charles Darwin was encouraged by SATAN?
« Reply #49 on: October 02, 2015, 03:37:54 PM »
The problem is not about theocracy, it is about how people make decisions.

Exactly.....and to this point in history, has at no time EVER, demonstrate Carson as using his religion to thump anyone over the head with it.  Quite the contrary, where he has made it CRYSTAL clear that Constitution trumps religion in this country

So, your problem is is that Carson says what every Chrisitian, Obama included, would believe, that Satan does try to influence/coerce/cast doubt in everyone's decision making.  And despite that belief, Christians can still fully function in political offices....President included, so long as they adhere to the Constitution
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Re: Ben Carson thinks Charles Darwin was encouraged by SATAN?
« Reply #50 on: October 02, 2015, 05:28:36 PM »
Carson has never heal any office, sop we have no clue as to how his religion would affect his making decisions.

In the 1950's and 60's people never said that the enemy was the Communists: it was always the GODLESS Communists.

Communism is an economic philosophy. It is not a religion. Stalin died and the Soviets gave up on suppressing religions in the USSR. It did not do a lot of good, since it made martyrs of believers, and that made for more believers. Cuba gave up on suppressing the Church 20 years ago.
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Re: Ben Carson thinks Charles Darwin was encouraged by SATAN?
« Reply #51 on: October 02, 2015, 05:45:13 PM »
We have both his ACTIONS and CRYSTAL CLEAR COMMENTARY.....as in at no time, during his entire career as a professional, which includes running and being fully in charge of a neurosurgery dept, did he EVER make religion the basis to any decision making that effected the life of someone else.  Add his repeated references that makes it abundantly clear that the Constitution trumps any religious zealotry, and all you have is rampant speculation for merly publically referencing what every Chritisan believes in

As in. go fish
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Re: Ben Carson thinks Charles Darwin was encouraged by SATAN?
« Reply #52 on: October 02, 2015, 10:47:16 PM »
Five years is not "abruptly".

Abolition was not enacted until January 1, 1863, and then only in the parts of the country controlled by the Confederacy. Slavery was not abolished until December of 1865.

That is not "abruptly".

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  Sure it is.

  How many millennia had slavery been institutional before?

"Abruptly" is relative , when discussing continental drift , geologists consider the rise of the Himalayas to be abrupt.   

It is faster than the War the English were fighting to end slavery in their domain, didn't that one last for seventy five years or so?

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Re: Ben Carson thinks Charles Darwin was encouraged by SATAN?
« Reply #53 on: October 02, 2015, 11:47:41 PM »
Exactly
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Re: Ben Carson thinks Charles Darwin was encouraged by SATAN?
« Reply #54 on: October 03, 2015, 09:54:47 AM »
No American politician will ever admit to being a nonbeliever or any form of doubter. But not a one dares speak of angels, devils, demons or such other than in an extremely metaphorical sense. I doubt that Obama actually believes in Satan, but mentioning Satan would be unwise.

I think that perhaps one might discuss angels and the Devil with Jimmy Carter, but he is the only one honest enough to do so.
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Re: Ben Carson thinks Charles Darwin was encouraged by SATAN?
« Reply #55 on: October 03, 2015, 10:45:50 AM »
All of it irrelevant....unless of course you're accusing Obama of lying about his proclaiming he's a Christian.  Being a Christian, by definition, means you believe in Satan, and all his demons, and that Satan is repetitively trying to coerce you into unrighteous ways

But if you're going to go on record and proclaim that Obama lied about himself being a Christian, well, the accusation would have merit given his track record of lying
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Re: Ben Carson thinks Charles Darwin was encouraged by SATAN?
« Reply #56 on: October 03, 2015, 09:00:30 PM »
I do not think that most theologians would agree that you must believe in the Devil and demons to be a Christian.

You apparently think so, but once you put aside the possibility of the entire human race being condemned forever because of temptations of a devil possessed talking snake to take a bite out of the one forbidden fruit that did not have to be there in the first place as manifestations of a loving God (who sent the snake and installed the Tree) , then the need for Satan sort of falls away into a sea of childish illogic.



I doubt that President Obama thinks much about Satan or demons.

I find that comforting.
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Re: Ben Carson thinks Charles Darwin was encouraged by SATAN?
« Reply #57 on: October 03, 2015, 09:30:36 PM »
It is not required to believe in Satan or demons to be a Christian.

As a Christian, it is
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Re: Ben Carson thinks Charles Darwin was encouraged by SATAN?
« Reply #58 on: October 04, 2015, 09:39:23 AM »
There is no mention for Satan in the Apostles' Creed. Satan is mostly a colorful costume option for Hallowe'en.

I have observed one of the largest assemblages of  Hallowe'en costumes on Earth at Waikiki in Honolulu on several October 31sts, and I would say that people wearing devil costumes outnumber people wearing angel costumes by a factor of 50 to one.  I have yet to see a single Jesus costume there. I agree that Jesus is not exactly Hallowe'en tradition, but he is the most famous guy to return from the dead, and many of the costumed people at Waikiki are Japanese, who tend to twist all religious customs to their own aesthetic standards. There were several Buddha costumes (the fat jolly Buddha you see in Chinese restaurants), but no Mohammads or Jesi.
I do not attribute the popularity of Satan in costume parades to Satan's bewitchings: I just think that people prefer red and horns to white, wings and halo.  Wings are popular, but more with Tinkerbell, Mothra and Rodan than with angels.



Was Satan involved in the Hadj Stampede in Mecca? Some of those trampled were on their way to throw pebbles at a column that personifies Satan.

Islam is clearly NOT a well thought out religion for all of mankind. To wit:

(1) The Muslim calendar has twelve lunar months, and therefore the month of the Hadj rotates through the seasons. Ramadan as well as the Hadj, also rotates through the seasons. Ramadan requires that people refrain from eating, drinking, smoking ANYTING during daylight hours. The can only ear or drink after sunset.
 There are periods in which the sun does not set above the Arctic and Antarctic Circles for as long as four months, so pious Muslims in much of Alaska and parts of Norway, Sweden, Finland, Russia, Canada and Antarctica would die dehydration and starvation. Mohammad, of course, was unaware of the geography of the Earth, but one assumes that Allah, was not.

(2) If everyone were a Muslim, there is NO WAY that the hadj could be carried out without serious reforms. There are two many people to avoid crowd stampedes now. Multiply that by seven and it would mean that they would have to limit hadjs to a once in a lifetime deal, or end the tradition entirely.

(3) Of course, Islam is silly. The concept of Allah as an all powerful creature that wants everyone to tell him how great and exclusive he is five times a day suggests that the Almighty is  a vain creature more like Donald Trump than a seriously intellectual leader, like, say the Dalia Lama. But the Christian and Jewish concepts are also pretty much caricature deities as well.

Of course, there are special dispensations for Arctic Muslims, but still, the Koran ignores the physical geography of the planet, and takes a 7th century view of it.
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Re: Ben Carson thinks Charles Darwin was encouraged by SATAN?
« Reply #59 on: October 04, 2015, 12:43:00 PM »
You can observe and rationalize your agnostic versions all day.  Doesn't get around the FACT, that specific fo being a Christian is not just the belief that Christ died for our sins, and rose 3 days later, but that Satan exists as well.  Even attempting to coerce Christ himself, but failed miserably.   You're not required to believe, especially since you're not a Christian.   Point being, if one peoclaims themself a Christian,  then by definition, they believe in Satan.  Simple as that.  What they do or say, beyond that, is their decision
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