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Wealth distribution in the USA
« on: November 12, 2015, 12:16:16 PM »
Note that this is wealth, total assets owned, not income.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=T39Z8T42-3Q
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Re: Wealth distribution in the USA
« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2015, 01:42:50 PM »
And....................?  More envy?  More jealousy?  Here's a concept.....success is a GOOD thing.  and when you consider the exponential progressive taxes that the successful ALREADY pay to keep this country running, the idea of trying to take more money away from "the rich" is downright vulgar
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Re: Wealth distribution in the USA
« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2015, 06:16:40 PM »
In response to the viral "Wealth Inequality in America" video

A video titled "Wealth Inequality in America" has gone viral on the Internet, it's up to almost four million views on YouTube. It's not clear who produced it, and it's not clear what solution is being proposed to the "problem" of wealth inequality identified in the video. What is clear is that it's another fallacious, static analysis of wealth distribution that focuses only on abstract, statistical brackets at a given point in time, while completely disregarding the most important point: what is happening to actual flesh-and-blood human beings whose income and wealth change all the time and who are moving among the various abstract statistical brackets from year to year.

In the video above titled "What Wasn't Said in 'Wealth Inequality In America," Steve Horwitz responds to the Wealth Inequality video and reminds us that the most important issue is not what abstract statistical bracket people fall into in a given year, but rather the degree of income or wealth mobility from year to year. It's an important point, and one that's completely overlooked in the viral video.

Thomas Sowell has discussed extensively the issues of static versus dynamic analysis of wealth and income distributions, and income and wealth mobility, and here are some of his quotes as an antidote to the limited, static "analysis" of wealth inequality presented in the viral video:

1. Comparing the top income bracket with the bottom income bracket over a period of years tells you nothing about what is happening to the actual flesh-and-blood human beings who are moving between brackets during those years. Following trends among income brackets over the years creates the illusion of following people over time. But the only way to follow people is to follow people.  Source

2. Sports statistics are kept in a much more rational way than statistics about political issues. Have you ever seen statistics on what percentage of the home runs over the years have been hit by batters hitting in the .320s versus batters hitting in the .280s or the .340s? Not very likely. Such statistics would make no sense, because different batters are in these brackets from one year to the next. You wouldn't be comparing  people, you would be comparing abstractions and mistaking those abstractions for people.

But, in politics and in commentaries on political issues, people talk incessantly about how "the top one percent" of income earners are  getting more money or how the "bottom 20 percent" are falling behind. Yet the turnover in income brackets over a decade is at least as great  as the turnover in batting average brackets.  Source

3. Only by focusing on the income brackets, instead of the actual people moving between those brackets, have the intelligentsia been able to verbally create a "problem" for  which a "solution" is necessary. They have created a powerful vision of  "classes" with "disparities" and "inequities" in income, caused by  "barriers" created by "society." But the routine rise of millions of  people out of the lowest quintile over time makes a mockery of the  "barriers" assumed by many, if not most, of the intelligentsia." Source

4. Most people are not even surprised any more when they hear about someone who came here from Korea or Vietnam with very little money, and very little knowledge of English, who nevertheless persevered and rose in American society. Nor are we surprised when their children excel in school and go on to professional careers. Yet, in utter disregard of such plain facts, so-called "social scientists" do studies which conclude that America is no longer a land of opportunity, and that upward mobility is a "myth." Source

5. Most working Americans who were initially in the bottom 20 percent of income-earners, rise out of that bottom 20 percent. More of them end up in the top 20 percent than remain in the bottom 20 percent. People who were initially in the bottom 20 percent in income have had the highest rate of increase in their incomes, while those who were initially in the top 20 percent have had the lowest. This is the direct opposite of the pattern found when following income brackets over time, rather than following individual people. Source

6. Most of the media publicize what is happening to the statistical brackets, especially that "top one percent", rather than what is happening to individual people. Source

https://www.aei.org/publication/in-response-to-the-viral-wealth-inequality-in-america-video/
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Re: Wealth distribution in the USA
« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2015, 07:07:22 PM »
  Is it true that you can't step into the same river twice?

  I had a cousin who did more than two million a year in business farming soy.

   He was just about middle class, he didn't get to keep a lot of that money, loan repayment , equipment purchase , rent, and maintenance, cost of seed , fertilizer , chemicals and hired labor.

    There was also tax to pay, to the feds , state , county.

    He was a very hard worker , he left a gap when he retired, modestly.

     Imagining money as static is kinda wrong, Scrooge McDuck might keep a pool of coin just for swimming , but he is fiction.

       Most real money makers handle a flowing dynamic ever fluid thing that has tributaries and branches flowing in and out in a complex pattern .  If they can make an honest increase , it is usually good for all involved.

       I think way back when most Americans were self employed , more of us had a more realistic view of the nature of money.

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« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2015, 10:15:57 PM »
Thomas Sowell is an apologist for the wealthiest, and therefore, he is not to be taken seriously.

Who gives a fuck about sports statistics?

The reason to talk incessantly about this injustice is so that people will get fed up and DO something about it, rather than vote for megabillionaires like McCain and Romney.
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Re: Wealth distribution in the USA
« Reply #5 on: November 12, 2015, 10:30:38 PM »
.....or Clinton I guess then
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« Reply #6 on: November 12, 2015, 10:46:07 PM »
Clinton is a piker when it comes to wealth, compared to guys like Romney. And I did not say the Clintons should not pay taxes, did I?

I hardly think it is vulgar for the rich to pay for the advantages they have enjoyed.
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« Reply #7 on: November 12, 2015, 11:43:24 PM »
You said shouldn't vote for, not pay taxes.  So, shall we compare the wealth of Clinton to McCain, as he's apparently one of those we shouldn't vote for, because he's "rich"?
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« Reply #8 on: November 13, 2015, 09:59:31 AM »
I know I did not vote for McCain, because he seemed likely to be warlike.

The Republican'ts nominate rich men because they do not trust any other kind.  But the issue is not whether the candidate is rich or not that it is important: it is the stance of the candidate with regard to doing something to equalizing the distribution of wealth. Roosevelt was wealthy, and he did more than anyone to redistribute wealth.

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« Reply #9 on: November 13, 2015, 11:01:01 AM »
You said, and I quote "The reason to talk incessantly about this injustice is so that people will get fed up and DO something about it, rather than vote for megabillionaires like McCain and Romney."

Clinton's net worth, FAR surpasses that of McCain, and now they're about to nominate the uber-rich Clinton, who hasn't driven a car in decades (I wonder if she even knows what a steering wheel is).  She is so beyond knowing what's it like to actually work for a living, having had servants and chauffeurs, since her husband was Governor

So, the issue is not a "need" for wealth redistribution", since that's simply a socialist goal, not one shared by Americans who support the notion of freedom and Constitutional Government.  The issue here is the Dems are about to nominate the absolutely epitome of decrepit crony Government, where she believes she above having to actually follow our laws.  No telling how often she'd try to circumvent the Constitution, now that Obama has set the precedent 
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« Reply #10 on: November 13, 2015, 11:12:42 AM »
Pure bullshit.

McCain's wife owns a HUGE beer distribution franchise.
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Re: Wealth distribution in the USA
« Reply #11 on: November 13, 2015, 12:06:41 PM »
So?  Clinton is directly connected to the Clinton Foundation.  Clinton is swimming, not in just her cash, but the millions in donations from supporters both foreign & domestic, both direct and indirectly thru her Foundation

And no, Dr Deflection, its not about that she shouldn't receive donations from supporters, its about how uber-ruch (and disconnected she is) with the rest of American middle class reality.  Those policies that she, Obama, and you push, to "redistribute wealth", is nothing but a political scheme to try and convince "the poor", on just how unfair and evil "the rich" are, so vote for us, and we'll punish them, and give you some of what we take from them.  What they're doing in practical terms however, is that they're systematically decimating the middle class, since the "the rich" can afford all your taxes.
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« Reply #12 on: November 13, 2015, 02:48:17 PM »
You are demented.

Hillary does not get to spend contributions to her foundation, and the fact that a person is rich does NOT mean they do not care about poor people. FDR was a rich man, but he did more to redistribute wealth that any president before or since.
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« Reply #13 on: November 13, 2015, 03:41:12 PM »
Never claimed she gets to use her millions donated to her foundation for campaigning.  As its been made painfully clear, its called quid-pro-quo....the art of sleasy politics, perfected by the Clintons.  You (not you specifically, professor literal.  "you" here is rhetorical) donate to our foundation, you pay our massive speaking fees, and we "grease the wheels" for projects and proposals that benefit you directly

Redistributing wealth is not a fix to anything.  It's a socialists' need to keep the poor, poor, turn the middle class into the poor, and make everyone think its the "evil rich" that's behind it all.  But how funny that its now ok to be rich, so long as you have the correct letter after your name apparently
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« Reply #14 on: November 13, 2015, 08:17:55 PM »
I know I did not vote for McCain, because he seemed likely to be warlike.



So do you see your mistake now?

The present president is a wartime president, so will be the nest two or three.

Will you continue to ensure, as best you can, that you do not vote for anyone who is good at it?

You may as well vote that the world have more war, rather than less.