13 Hours

[sirs]

Just saw it today........WOW

[Christians4LessGvt]

a friend tried to go last weekend and it was sold out

he caught it later in the week and said the same thing...."WOW"!

[sirs]

I checked out the web sights that go that extra mile to compare a movie based on true events, to actual facts....and on nearly every point, the movie was accurate.  Some names were changed, to protect identities, in particular "Bob", who ran the secret CIA annex, and "Jack", who was an extremely close friend to one of the SEAL's, who was killed, Tyrone 'Rone' Woods

Did you know the other SEAL who was killed took part in the rescue of Captain Phillips?   Glen 'Bub' Doherty, was one of the SEALs on the stern of the Destroyer, who was tasked to target one of the Somali pirates, with his sniper rifle, and three pirates were shot nearly simultaneously

Folks like xo, can poo poo this all they want, claim it was "so long ago", and that "Clinton didn't cause the attack", which no one has ever claimed she did, so why he keeps pulling that, is beyond me.  What was painfully clear, AND ACCURATE, AS IN THE TRUTH, is that:
- the State dept, headed by Clinton, continuously ignored REPEATED requests for security, in a region, that they all new was becoming increasingly unstable. 
- neither the State dept, nor the WH ordered any measures, what-so-ever, to bolster security, with the imminent anniversary or 911 approaching
- the attack, when it started, was determined immediately to be a terrorist attack, and not some "out of control protest"
- the SEALs at the annex were repeatedly told to stand down, but chose to disobey orders, and as a result, 30+lives were saved, that wouldn't have been, otherwise
- despite that we had multiple air options that could have been sent in, in particular, F-16's, that could have even simply made some low passes to scare the living snot out of the terrorists, nothing was allowed to take off

- and the icing to this absolute debacle, all of whic you can place directly at the foot of Clinton & Obama, is that the last plane to take our folks out of Libya, wasn't even American.  It was a Libyan cargo plane

Those are all irrefutable facts

[Xavier_Onassis]

Give it a rest, sirs, no one gives a shit except fools like you and those whose swill you are addicted to reading.

You want to talk about really serious errors in foreign policy, there were more mistakes on any given week during the misguided and unnecessary invasion of Iraq than in Benghazi.

[sirs]

As I accuarately concluded, xo may try to infer how this was so long ago, but this goes to the heart of her character and compotence.....as in she has none.  And yet she wants to run for an office that is all about both.

And news flash, neither Bush nor Cheney are running, so its irrelevent your opinion on how they handled Iraq

[Plane]

Give it a rest, sirs, no one gives a shit except fools like you and those whose swill you are addicted to reading.

You want to talk about really serious errors in foreign policy, there were more mistakes on any given week during the misguided and unnecessary invasion of Iraq than in Benghazi.

All right , if you want to call equivalence.
Tell me about the Scapegoats and lies that were used in an equivalent coverup?

[Xavier_Onassis]

The incompetence of Cheney and Rumsfeld in Iraq does not need to be covered up. It was blatant and obvious.

[sirs]

So....no actual examples of cover-up or lying, like Clinton pulled?  Glad we got that cleared up

[Xavier_Onassis]

No, just stupid management that resulted in the loss of lives of hundreds, possibly thousands of lives of US troops and even more Iraqis.

But of course to you lying is far more important than anyone's life.

Because you are mentally ill.

[sirs]

Your opinion of the war, not withstanding,  doesn't even begin to touch the documented lies and cover-up by Clinton, regarding Benghazi & now her entire email house of cards

[sirs]

...and notice also the almost painful effort to avoid any of the unrefutable facts provided above, that reinforces precisely the level of incompotence and attempts to cover it up, Clinton pulled, while she now tries to run for President

When unable to defend the indefensible, try desperately to change the subject --  Liberal Debate 101

[hnumpah]

All right , if you want to call equivalence.
Tell me about the Scapegoats and lies that were used in an equivalent coverup?

Well, not a coverup so much as misleading the American people into an unnecessary war in Iraq that drew attention and resources from the war against the Taliban and Al-Qaida in Afghanistan, and did indeed cost thousands of American lives, many thousands more Iraqi lives, and countless inujured all around. Oh, yeah, how is that search for Iraqi WMDs coming along?

[sirs]

While I appreciate hnumpah's consistency on this issue, its far from concluded that Bush "lied" or "covered anything up".  It's kind of like Global warming, as there is no concensus.  What he did, which has been brought up so many times previously, is following the events of 911, the predominant conclusions by intel was the threat that Saddam posed with his WMD.  Yes, we do know there were "some" sources that concluded otherwise.  It would be interesting if it could be objectively stated as a %, like....85% of the intel said he had them, 10% said he did not, and another 15% was "inclusive".

The point being, there has never been any evidence provided that validated the ongoing inferrence that Bush lied us into war, or even misled us into war.  He went with the predominance of the intel given him, that wasn't just limited to our CIA

But just to placate the matter.......let's pretent is all true, that Bush knew Saddam had no WMD, and purposely misled us to believe he did, so that we could enter war.  How does that in any way absolve the current Democrat front runner, from not just the lies she provided in trying to cover-up her incomptence with Benghazi, but the ever-growing mountain of reckless irresponsibility to this country's safety/security, by maintaining a private unsecured server to all manner of classified e-mail information......an act that would courtmartial any standing military member, and putting anyone else in prison??

Convenience isn't an acceptable excuse in breaking federal law, I'm afraid

[hnumpah]

But just to placate the matter.......let's pretent is all true, that Bush knew Saddam had no WMD, and purposely misled us to believe he did, so that we could enter war.  How does that in any way absolve the current Democrat front runner, from not just the lies she provided in trying to cover-up her incomptence with Benghazi, but the ever-growing mountain of reckless irresponsibility to this country's safety/security, by maintaining a private unsecured server to all manner of classified e-mail information......an act that would courtmartial any standing military member, and putting in prison anyone else??

Convenience isn't an acceptable excuse, I'm afraid

While I am not saying one excuses the other, given those circumstances - that Bush knew and lied - I would seriously consider the body count. Iraq versus Benghazi - which do you think would be higher?

[Xavier_Onassis]

sirs believes in WMD's.

sirs wants all Democrats to be perfect, and alas, they all fall short of his definition of this.
Dick Cheney apparently does not need to be perfect.