Islamic State Special Enemys

[Plane]

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/islamic-state-threatens-muslim-congressman-clinton-aide/ar-BBrOa3F?li=BBnb7Kz

A Clinton aide and a Congressman who are Muslim, get targets painted on them by Isis.

I think I understand this .

The Islam of the Islamic State is a world dominating philosophy, anyone who can demonstrate that tolerance and a live and let live attitude can work is a threat to the truth of their exhortations to violence.

They do not want peace , they don't want peace to be possible.

I like what the Congressman said.

" “As millions of faithful Muslims flee Daesh’s imposed nightmare they call a ‘caliphate,’ Daesh takes the time to threaten Muslim public servants in the West. Daesh is a collection of liars, murderers, torturers, and rapists. No Muslim I know recognizes what they preach as Al-Islam. The fact that I’m on Daesh’s bad side means I am fighting for things like justice, tolerance, and a more inclusive world.” " — Rep. Keith Ellison (D-Minn.)

Oh yes , it stings worse because it is true.

And the idea that war is a virtue even when peace is offered seems to be  lie.

I think it is a lie they won't quit telling , this is how they interpret the Koran.

Perhaps this is just what is needed to disillusion all the Islam in the world, supposing that they have bitten off more than they can chew.

[Xavier_Onassis]

War is seen as a manly pursuit. I had a school superintendent that refused to give any draft deferments to school teachers. He said Vietnam would make men out of us.  Not one of the people he refused deferments for went into the military. We kept in touch for ten years..

[Plane]

War is seen as a manly pursuit.

  This was certainly Theodore Roosevelt's opinion.

    Do you think our best people should become soldiers , or our worst?

[Xavier_Onassis]

I think our soldiers can simply select themselves to  apply for the job and get accepted or not.

The draft at the time of the Vietnam War was involuntary servitude, as the country was under ZERO threat from the Viet Cong.

The draft should never be used for military adventurism, and that is what Vietnam and Iraq were.

[Plane]

  Do you think the draft will return?

    You don't think people who can but do not serve some military time are freeloaders ?

     Can I recycle your attitude to enforced union membership?

[Xavier_Onassis]

No, because not everyone works in a field in which unions are needed, and belonging to a union is not normally fatal.

If not for the draft, there would have been no Vietnam War.
By the time of Iraq, they had it so robotized they could use it to make a bunch of money as contractors like Blackhawk and other mercenary groups.

[kimba1]

But isn't a draftee by nature inferior to a volunteer who serves

[Xavier_Onassis]

Draftees are by definition unwilling serfs.

There are also a lot of men who join one service (Coast Guard, Air Force, Navy) to avoid the Army, which is rated the lowest by most.
During the useless Vietnam War, all but two of the guys who enlisted did so to choose a particular program. Most did not get, by the way. Recruiters were liars and did not mention qualifying tests and how hard they were to pass. Snooky Chenault and Wesley Wilson, who spent their study hall time reading war comics enlisted in the Marines.
Snooky could not deal with Marine Boot camp and jumped the fence and ended up in jail. Wesley, who was the fattest kid in my class, broke his ankle on an obstacle course, and went through boot camp three times total before he became a Marine. He was in Korea and Germany and made sergeant and retired after 25 years,mostly because of a heart condition. I met him at the last class reunion and we had a couple of beers.  He had lost touch with Snooky, and was employed with a desk job in Hayes, Kansas.

Of all the members of my class, Snooky and Wesley were the only two that WANTED to be in  the military.

[Plane]

  This reminds me of an argument in favor of the draft that I have not heard in a while.

    Draftees are random choices so some of them are excellent specimens that would not have been available as volunteers,  The rest will average near average of course. With a few falling below the bar. This supposes that the best will find lucrative jobs and never volunteer, and the main mass of them will be below average.

   Practical experience since then proves that plenty of excellent recruits select themselves, and the military has been just as selective in recent years as they ever were.

  I suppose that it also helps that our enemies have done irritating things , easing recruitment among citizens  that feel irritated.

   It may also help that the Military is a lot smaller now .

[Xavier_Onassis]

The draft is simply involuntary servitude and has not been necessary since WWII.

[Plane]

   There is a lot of involuntary servitude in favor of the government.

     It is still constitutional last I heard.

      Were I one year younger I would have a selective service number .

      TGF1959

[kimba1]

my question is more about how safe is it to have the worst in the service. I doubt the best would negate the somebody who drops a live grenade or accidentally blast music at the very wrong time

[Plane]

  It is better to have the best soldiers. People who are not easily tricked by the enemy, not often making stupid mistakes, motivated to do the job right and not leave it half done whenever the brass is not looking.

    We also demand such discipline of our soldiers that they do not loot , or mistreat the people and places that they have just defeated. This is an important and difficult demand.

    So we are accustomed to excellence in our armed forces are we taking this for granted?

    One of the costs of having intelligent , well motivated , disciplined , healthy and strong people in large numbers devoted to our national defense is that this number of great prospect people is not available to industry and service of the rest of our society.

[kimba1]

But today the industry is actually not willing to hire veterans.this article points out the difficulty but doesn't cover how incompatible military leadership trainings is to the private sector. I have ex-marine friends and they laugh how useless their training is to thier job now and at anyone who brags about being a great leader. Ex postal service. We all know how that turned out.



http://www.citizen-times.com/story/news/local/2014/05/28/veterans-find-military-service-leg-job-market/9695191/