Nonpc racially insensitive question

[kimba1]

At this moment does the black lives matter movement seem black centric to you or do you think it's about abuse of polics powers. I think I only recall twice they clarify it's not black only and i personally think they need to do more and thier doing a terrible job of it.


Did anyone even hear about bluelivesmatter. Police seems to be in more danger today. Recently I heard the bodycam on officers in certain cities are only allowed to be used against and not also for helping officers in arrest.

[Xavier_Onassis]

Is there any evidence to back up what you say you have heard?

[kimba1]

Not yet but this is info i get for working for the city. But knowing sfpd and how thier treated it sadly very possible.

[Xavier_Onassis]

WE need to have a database of citizens killed by cops and another on cops killed by civilians, with details given.

Some cops have committed atrocities. Civilians have committed far more, After all, civilians include criminals and they are not paid to maintain order at all.

Rumors of the type you describe do not tend to be reliable.

[kimba1]

By nature the police will have a higher mortality rate but I'm talking about police support in general. My town has a notorious rep for low police support . Two of it's past D.A. Had extremely low arrest records. One if them is kamalah harris. I distinctly remember one very unpopular police chief who fought to protect the police from the police commission.

My own issue with the lack of public support is the police in the past were proactive.the bodycam legally does not have to promote such behavior and the job description does not require it. Meaning police can now do less like that n ferguson and now wait for a crime to happen before doing any action. The same is happening in Baltimore

[kimba1]

Forgot to mention thiers a proposal to make it a hate crime to shoot a first responder. Thats how dangerous its become for police and others in Louisiana

[Plane]

WE need to have a database of citizens killed by cops and another on cops killed by civilians, with details given.

This is not a bad idea ,such a set of data would be very useful, but producing it is problematic.

The data would be compiled in the first place by the police , especially in the details of the incidents.

I would expect each and every egregious example of police misconduct to be delivered along with a lie to the authority that was compiling the statistics.

Whenever the policeman does not survive , I might expect the opposite problem for the same reason.

I think that a Policeman or criminal that plans to be bad is less vulnerable to being caught than the unplanned offender.

    If they catch one destroying records and planting evidence , then they have the real threat.

[Xavier_Onassis]

There is no good reason for not having such a database. We manage to keep airlines safe with databases compiled with data by the airlines.

[Plane]

  Are you going to catch lawbreaking airlines with the lawbreakers own books?

[Xavier_Onassis]

Are you going to catch lawbreaking airlines with the lawbreakers own books?Yes, that is how they caught Air Florida, shipping some dangerous gear that caused a fire in the hold and a fatal crash in the Everglades.

[Plane]

Are you going to catch lawbreaking airlines with the lawbreakers own books?Yes, that is how they caught Air Florida, shipping some dangerous gear that caused a fire in the hold and a fatal crash in the Everglades.

No.
That tragic error was not caught, it destroyed an aircraft and the mistake showed up in the wreckage and was found also in the paperwork.

That is a lot different than catching and preventing a trouble.

I agree that the data you would like to see collected would be very useful, but you are depending on the honesty of the record keepers, which is problematic mainly in the same people who are the worst part of the problem you want to study.

I would expect a good policeman to document his work well and honestly, this is probably what most of the documents that exist are.

I would expect a malicious character who misuses his badge to keep even better records , but dishonestly.

[kimba1]

Naturally I would suspect both sides would be abit subjective in thier records/reports

[Plane]

  Yes , this is a basic problem.

Problems like this show up everywhere.

A good scientist blinds himself to desired results, collects data as unbiased as he can and evaluates the data without prejudice if he can.


This is exactly why so few of us are scientists.

[kimba1]

On this topic alone I would never think itll be objective.but I've learn it's quite futile to point out the bias in the topic". Very unlikely the person will see an issue.

[Xavier_Onassis]

When people lie, it is usually easier to catch them, as most falsified data has illogical elements.
It is better to have a registry of people killed by police and vice versa than not to have it.

Even if your data has flaws in it, the average will point toward the truth.

Take elections: there has almost certainly never been an election in which there were not some mistakes and flaws: noncitizens voting, qualified citizens refused the ballot, and many other types of errors.

But if you have six million Americans who vote that they prefer candidate X to candidate Y, it is far more accurate than just proclaiming X or Y to be president, senator, representative or whatever.

Things are not as they appear: the Earth appears flat, The Sun appears to travel across the sky. It is easy to conclude that a metaphorical deity is crossing the sky daily in his fiery flying chariot.

We discovered that this is not so only when we began collecting data, and then analyzing it.


All wide ranging data will have imperfections. 
But imperfect data is still better than no data at all.

At present, we have no data at all.