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Alabama Supreme Court Chief Justice faces removal
« on: May 07, 2016, 10:03:42 AM »
Alabama's Supreme Court Chief Justice was suspended on Friday as he faces possible removal from the bench for ordering state probate judges not to grant marriage licenses to gay couples, despite contrary rulings by a federal court and the U.S. Supreme Court.

The Alabama Judicial Inquiry Commission charged Chief Justice Roy Moore, an outspoken opponent of same-sex unions, with violating the state's judicial ethics laws, an allegation that could potentially remove him from office, according to news website AL.com.

The legality of gay marriage had been at the center of a national debate for years until the Supreme Court ruled in June that the U.S. Constitution provides same-sex couples the right to marry, handing a historic triumph to the American gay rights movement.

Despite the ruling and a federal court ruling that made gay marriage legal in Alabama, Moore issued in January an administrative order to state probate judges, ordering them not to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples, according to court documents.

"Chief Justice Moore flagrantly disregarded and abused his authority," the complaint said. "Moore knowingly ordered [probate judges] to commit violations...knowingly subjecting them to potential prosecution and removal from office."

Moore said in a statement that the commission has no authority over administrative orders or the court's ability to prohibit probate judges from issuing same-sex marriage licenses.

"We intend to fight this agenda vigorously and expect to prevail," he said.

Moore wrote in his order that the U.S. Supreme Court ruling was at odds with a decision in March 2015 by the Alabama Supreme Court that instructed probate judges to stop issuing marriage licenses to same-sex couples.

The conflicting opinions had resulted in "confusion and uncertainty," Moore said, with many probate judges issuing marriage licenses to gay couples while others refused to do so.

Until the Alabama Supreme Court decides the matter, probate judges "have a ministerial duty not to issue any marriage license," he said.

The complaint said Moore's order "was contrary to clear and determined law about which there is no confusion or unsettled question."

Moore, a Republican, has been a hero of conservative causes before. In 2003, he was removed from office after a federal judge ruled he was placing himself above the law by refusing to take down a Ten Commandments monument.

He won the chief justice job back in 2012, vowing not to do anything to create further friction with the federal courts.


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Re: Alabama Supreme Court Chief Justice faces removal
« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2016, 10:07:36 AM »
Moore is a world class fool.
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Re: Alabama Supreme Court Chief Justice faces removal
« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2016, 04:39:56 PM »
Moore, a Republican, has been a hero of conservative causes before. In 2003, he was removed from office after a federal judge ruled he was placing himself above the law by refusing to take down a Ten Commandments monument.

He won the chief justice job back in 2012, vowing not to do anything to create further friction with the federal courts.


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  I remember this.
   The people of Alabama really love this guy.
     Another iteration of this process won't hurt him.
       Who exactly is trying to tell the People of Alabama that their votes count for nothing?

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Re: Alabama Supreme Court Chief Justice faces removal
« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2016, 05:30:35 PM »
They liked George Wallace, too, but the schools were still integrated.

The United States Supreme Court ordered it.
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Re: Alabama Supreme Court Chief Justice faces removal
« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2016, 06:31:11 PM »
It gets worse

BIRMINGHAM, Ala. — Alabama politics are at a low point even by Alabama standards: In a state that trails the nation in many areas, three top elected officials are embroiled in scandal or facing removal from office while a former governor serves time in federal prison on a corruption conviction.

Chief Justice Roy Moore was suspended from his job Friday and faces possible ouster over his attempts to block gay marriage following the U.S. Supreme Court ruling that effectively legalized same-sex marriage nationwide. It's familiar territory for the Republican Moore, a Christian conservative who was previously removed from the same position in 2003 over a Ten Commandments monument and easily won re-election later.

Meanwhile, fellow Republicans tried to remove Gov. Robert Bentley by impeachment in the just-ended legislative session over a sexually charged scandal involving a top political aide, and an investigation continues. At the same time, GOP House Speaker Mike Hubbard awaits a state trial on 23 felony ethics charges that could result in his removal.

If convicted, Hubbard could even join the ranks of the imprisoned like former Gov. Don Siegelman, a Democrat who was convicted on federal influence-peddling charges.

All in all, it's some of the worst of times for Republicans who promised to clean up state government after seizing control from Democrats who dominated for generations.

"I never recall when the top leaders of all three branches of government were simultaneously accused of improper behavior," Bill Stewart, a retired political scientist from the University of Alabama, said Saturday.

It's hard for state government to concentrate on issues like Medicaid or improving a dilapidated prison system when so many officials are fighting for their jobs, he said.

"It's definitely a traumatic time," Stewart said.

Among the nation's poorest states, Alabama is troubled by problem areas including physical and mental health; comparatively low high school graduation rates; and too many occupational deaths, according to a report by the United Health Foundation. It consistently ranks high in college football — the University of Alabama is the reigning national champion — while struggling in so many other ways.

Yet the ranking leaders elected to sort out the mess face confounding troubles of their own.

In its list of civil charges against Moore, the Alabama Judicial Inquiry Commission said the 69-year-old chief justice abused his office by issuing an administrative order to probate judges in January telling them an Alabama court order and law banning same-sex marriages remained in effect despite the U.S. Supreme Court decision affirming same-sex marriage six months earlier. Most counties issued same-sex licenses anyway.

In a statement after his suspension, Moore said the commission doesn't have the authority to police the order he issued. As during a news conference last week, Moore criticized the Judicial Inquiry Commission by referring to a recent protest outside his office that included gay and transgender people.

"The JIC has chosen to listen to people like ... a professed transvestite, and other gay, lesbian and bisexual individuals, as well as organizations which support their agenda," Moore said. "We intend to fight this agenda vigorously and expect to prevail."

The Court of the Judiciary will decide whether Moore violated judicial ethics, and he could be removed from office if found guilty. The same court removed Moore from office in 2003 for his refusal to follow a federal court order directing Moore to remove a washing machine-sized Ten Commandments monument from the rotunda of the state's judicial building.

The governor faces very different problems.

In March, Bentley admitted to making inappropriate remarks to an aide, Rebekah Caldwell Mason, in a scandal that has included the public airing of secret recordings that captured Bentley professing love to someone and telling her how much he enjoyed kissing her and touching her breasts, and referencing a need to start locking his office door. The admission came seven months after the former first lady, Dianne Bentley, filed for divorce after 50 years of marriage.

Bentley has struggled to shake the scandal, and lawmakers obtained enough signatures to file impeachment articles during the legislative session that ended Wednesday. The House Judiciary Committee will review the claims to see if there are grounds to remove Bentley from office.

Hubbard, the House speaker, is at risk of losing his job because of criminal charges.

Hubbard is scheduled later this month on 23 felony ethics charges accusing him of using his position as speaker, and previous post as chairman of the Alabama GOP, to direct business to his companies, lobby the governor's office and to solicit investments and clients for his businesses. Bentley could be among the prosecution witnesses.

Hubbard, arguably the most powerful person in state government because of his influence and power to control the House agenda, argues the transactions were legal and separate from his public duties.

Hubbard will be automatically removed from office if convicted on even one felony count. He would join the ranks of Alabama politicians convicted of ethics violations or corruption that includes two recent governors, Republican Guy Hunt and Siegelman, the Democrat.

Hunt, a Primitive Baptist preacher, was convicted and removed from office in 1993 for using campaign and inaugural funds for personal expenses. He tried to mount a political comeback but failed before his death in 2009.

Currently imprisoned in Texas, Siegelman was convicted in 2006 on federal charges of selling a seat on a state health regulatory board in exchange for $500,000 in donations to Siegelman's campaign to establish a state lottery in 1999. A bipartisan group has asked President Barack Obama to pardon Siegelman, claiming his prosecution was unjust and tainted by politics.
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Re: Alabama Supreme Court Chief Justice faces removal
« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2016, 07:35:26 PM »
  This is exactly the sort of scrutiny that HRC needs.

   Why quibble over trivialities like whether the state should sanction any sort of interpersonal intercourse , while the great question goes begging.

    The great question is , should the people have a voice?

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Re: Alabama Supreme Court Chief Justice faces removal
« Reply #6 on: May 07, 2016, 08:51:47 PM »
The rights are guaranteed by federal law, as IInterpreted by the US Supreme Court and duly ruled on. Now try to follow me here....the Constitution and amendments that guarantee those rights were approved by a majority of the states, based on the votes of the people's representatives of those states, who were voted on and chosen by the people of said states. So yes, the people had a voice. And it is federal law, which trumps state law. So if you and the rest of the religious right want to change it, you will need to gain control of the Supreme Court somehow to reverse the ruling, or garner enough votes to change the law.
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Re: Alabama Supreme Court Chief Justice faces removal
« Reply #7 on: May 07, 2016, 10:03:36 PM »
  The last time our voice counted was two centuries ago?

    We have to stage another revolution just to keep from having an elitist minority from telling us we are mostly too foolish to manage?

Is government really supposed to be like this?

Totally unresponsive to the people?

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Re: Alabama Supreme Court Chief Justice faces removal
« Reply #8 on: May 08, 2016, 07:17:37 AM »
Pity, ain't it? The anti-gun people face the same hurdles, which hurdles seem to be well defended here in that case.

What's fair for the goose, etc.
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Re: Alabama Supreme Court Chief Justice faces removal
« Reply #9 on: May 08, 2016, 09:12:11 AM »
 The great question is , should the people have a voice?

Should a majority of the people have the right to prevent  a Gay or Lesbian couple from getting married?

I do not think so. I cannot imagine why they should have the right to discriminate against these people because their marriage affects no one but themselves.

This is about a majority denying a minority a right, even though it does not affect them in any way,
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Re: Alabama Supreme Court Chief Justice faces removal
« Reply #10 on: May 09, 2016, 06:58:37 AM »
  There is a minority that is demanding that English be made the official language of the United States , even some going so far as abolishing government forms in other languages.

   Since they are a minority that is fully certain that they are in the right , they should win .

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Re: Alabama Supreme Court Chief Justice faces removal
« Reply #11 on: May 09, 2016, 12:16:38 PM »
That is really bad logic, and not applicable to denying Gays and Lesbians the right to marry,
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Re: Alabama Supreme Court Chief Justice faces removal
« Reply #12 on: May 09, 2016, 10:11:51 PM »
That is really bad logic, and not applicable to denying Gays and Lesbians the right to marry,


It is illustrative by being the same quality of logic.

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Re: Alabama Supreme Court Chief Justice faces removal
« Reply #13 on: May 10, 2016, 08:46:25 AM »
No, it is not.
Denying rights and upholding rights are entirely different.

What right do you have to tell Adam that he and Steve cannot marry, because is "offends" you or your dictionary?
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Re: Alabama Supreme Court Chief Justice faces removal
« Reply #14 on: May 10, 2016, 08:15:13 PM »
No, it is not.
Denying rights and upholding rights are entirely different.

What right do you have to tell Adam that he and Steve cannot marry, because is "offends" you or your dictionary?

By what right does the state forbid any marriage of any description?

Or sanction any for that matter?