"We Need Islam Control, Not Gun Control"

[Christians4LessGvt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDYiM--TrbY&feature=youtu.be

[Xavier_Onassis]

How do you control a religion?

That makes no sense.

[Plane]

How do you control a religion?

That makes no sense.

With shame.

This guy needs to be called a blot on Islam.

Not a strange exception.

A cowardly guy that is bringing a bloody bucket of shame home to Islam.

Not an admirable warrior and martyr.

[Xavier_Onassis]

How would you carry out such a shaming campaign?
Take out ads on Al Jazeera?  Bribe imams to shame him?
This shooter is dead, killed in a final burst of glory.
He died killing the sort of people that many Muslims hate.
He is therefore a martyr.
To many Bin Laden is a martyr. the 9-11 highjackers are martyrs
I don't see how that could possible work.

Forty or fifty years ago, gay people were arrested thrown in jail and in mental institutions in the US.
Alan Turing, whose work broke the Nazi Enigma machine and may well have saved Britain's ass was gay and the UK government persecuted him and drove him to suicide. Were they shamed?
Have they even been shamed yet?

[Christians4LessGvt]

[Christians4LessGvt]

How do you control a religion?

Islam is a political party hiding under the cloak of religion. Read Sun Tzu and deception in warfare.
They seek the destruction of Western Civilization and all other civilizations to install their rule by the sword.

[Xavier_Onassis]

Sun Tzu did not talk about Muslims.
Mohammad tried to create a stable, unchanging state.
By and large that is what he did. Getting schmucks to pray five times a day at specified times made it pretty hard for people to be creative.
Women were seen as breeding machines, the younger the better. They are easier to dominate when they are young.
The West did not allow women many freedoms, either, but society was not as segregated in the West.
Plato, in the Republic, did pretty much what Mohammad did. Except that Plato never managed to setup his state.\

What we are seeing now is that Islam, formerly stable and almost petrified as a political system, is threatened by the many changes due to technology.
When women have indoor plumbing ans washing machines, that gives them more time to think,. TV, CDs videos and the Internet are powerful forces that combined will destroy Islamic society eventually.
The resistance to change is what is causing the violence  in Muslim countries. Assad's father could rther easily quell a rebellion by taking out a rebellious city or two,
The younger Assad has a lot harder time because of improved communications and more and better weapons (most of which Isis would NEVER have had if Cheney and Rumsfeld not been so horribly incompetent in overthrowing Saddam)

Islam is far more backward than the Soviets ever were.

[Plane]

How would you carry out such a shaming campaign?
Take out ads on Al Jazeera?  Bribe imams to shame him?

  That is two good ideas!

   But what I had in mind was to have our President make a major speech in which he expressed disappointment and regret that all of Islam is bearing this shame.

    And use the word" Shame " anyone who thinks these Martyrs are garnering respect for their person and their society  needs to be disabused of this notion.

     The Imperial Japanese were proud of their willingness to die, how many Islamists really know that as a strategy this really can fail?

      The Emperor of Japan was not horsewhipped to death , because he was not captured by Philippine or Chinese soldiers .

    When General MacArthur took a picture of himself and emperor Hirohito , he suppressed its publication so that it would not be humiliating for the Japanese to  see their sacred king standing less than shoulder high next to the American General.

    He figured that no more humiliation was needed , but there was a certain amount needed before that. Before Hiroshima the Japanese were really prepared to fight themselves gone .



https://iconicphotos.wordpress.com/2012/09/28/when-macarthur-met-the-emperor/

[Xavier_Onassis]

Hirohito was as guilty as Tojo, but MacArthur knew that he was necessary for the pacification of Japan and he used him.  MacArthur understood the Japanese culture.
Note that Cheney and Rumsfeld did not understand Iraqi culture and wanted to humiliate everyone connected with the Baathist Socialist Party and fired all the military and the police.

[Plane]

Yes you understand .

So what can we do that would make responsibility for mass murder humiliating?

Even distributed responsibility needs to be humiliating.


For example , how do you feel when you learn about an ancestor who was a soldier at Wounded Knee? Or who traded in slaves?

You can't be responsible for your ancestors or influence them, but are you proud of them doing this?

Within Isis they are proud of this guy, in the greater circle of Islam they are ambivalent or proud in a large mix.

But the people of Islam as a great gestalt can be shamed , and if they feel the sorce of the shame is these few fools there can be an effect made on them.

[Xavier_Onassis]

Several of my ancestors were slaveowners, and no, I am not proud of them.
Maybe they treated their slaves well, maybe the whipped them.
The plantation in Georgia was named Long Cane, which suggests that they grew sugar, or planned to, when they named the place.
Several others were abolitionists, and I am not proud of them, either.
One of my ancestors left a comfortable life in Maine to do missionary work at Ft Washita, in Indian Territory.
I have the records of the Sutlers store they ran. I cannot tell you how useful they were. I can tell you how many pencils they sold in 1842, and how much each one cost.

They acted according to beliefs that I do not share with them, but my beliefs would have been contrary to those of nearly everyone living in the 1840's. I see my ancestors as a personal way of regarding the history of my country.

Shame is what holds Japanese, Chinese and Korean societies together. It is a really big deal to Jews and some Christians. It has its pluses and minuses, that is for sure.

When mu parents or grandmother said "You ought to be ashamed of yourself!" the truth is I wasn't. I was not ashamed of taking too long to get home for dinner. I was not ashamed of missing some leaves I was supposed to rake up.
 If I behaved the way I thought they wanted me to, it was because I didn't want to hear how I should be ashamed.

[Christians4LessGvt]

Milo Wisdom!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7hvz2zk6Pc

[Plane]

Shame is what holds Japanese, Chinese and Korean societies together. It is a really big deal to Jews and some Christians. It has its pluses and minuses, that is for sure.

Yes , there is the point I was reaching for.

Social opprobrium is potent , it should be used .

What would be the minus in that situation?

Being proud of barbaric behaviors is happening and this social pressure is pressing the wrong way.

[Xavier_Onassis]

The minus to shame is it causes neuroses and blocks creativity.
The Jewish religion has 613 laws. Including one that says you should never wear cloth made of mixed fibers.

http://www.jewfaq.org/613.htm

It is not a coincidence that most of the first psychiatrists were Jews:  Freud and Adler, not sure about Karl Jung.

[Plane]

    But...

    Do you feel about the Massacres at Wounded Knee, approval and pride?

     Such that you would like to see more and perhaps participate?

      The American public has over the years changed quite a bit in this , there isn't any real approval left ....

       There once was, ... we are not totally different than "those" people.