Now it's baton rouge

[kimba1]

DISCUSS

[Xavier_Onassis]

The cops in Baton Rouge seemed to have escalated their forces, and perhaps that shook some nuts loose from the other side. Louisiana has the highest murder rate in the country and lots and lots of guns. Naturally, I oppose sniping at cops, but those who start pissing matches can expect to get wet. The guy the cops killed was smothered beneath two cops and one of them seems to have shot him at point blank range.

He was nor actually guilty of anything. Some panhandler was pestering him, he showed the panhandler that he had a gun and the panhandler reported it to the cops. It s only mildly stupid to show a gun to a panhandler. But that is what brought the cops to the scene. Everyone would have been better off had they simply enjoyed some donuts and kept their cool.

[Plane]

  It is a crime to brandish a gun at someone, even when it is a good idea.



    I would not have jumped all over that guy just because I was told he had a gun, are our police trained to do that?

[sirs]

The cops in Baton Rouge seemed to have escalated their forces,

Oh priceless.....it's the police's fault.  How dare they do the extra effort of trying to protect themselves.  How racist of them   

I oppose sniping at cops, but those who start pissing matches can expect to get wet. The guy the cops killed was smothered beneath two cops and one of them seems to have shot him at point blank range.

Because he had a GUN, and appeared to be REACHING FOR IT.  But nice to know you're on record as indicating the police had it coming   

[Xavier_Onassis]

Because he had a GUN, and appeared to be REACHING FOR IT.  But nice to know you're on record as indicating the police had it coming   

That is BULLSHIT the guy was squashed under two cops. He was not moving in any way inconsistent with some poor guy squashed between two cops.

Wha6t is open carry besides constant brandishing? Giver me a break, sirs, you are totally out of your league as well as your gourd.

[Xavier_Onassis]

A well-trained Marine sergeant with an assault rifle.  This is Juniorbush's  unjustified war and the NRA's idiocy coming home to roost and taking a crap on America's head.

Go on! Buy more guns! Make us safer!

Good guys with guns FAIL AGAIN!

[sirs]

I really have no idea why you keep thinking CCW carriers are trained to take on some thug with a gun.  We're trained to defend ourselves from a thug with a gun, NOT go after them.  That's the job of the Police.  Nor was this fella targeting unsuspecting citizens, that might have CCW's.  HE WAS TARGETING POLICE OFFICERS

And news flash...brandishing is not the same as open carry.  Brandishing is holding it and producing a threat to someone else.  Open carry means someone can see it, but its holstered

[Xavier_Onassis]

What was it that your hero Wayne LaPierre said?  "The only thing that will stop a bad man with a gun is a good man with a gun."
He did not say a "good cop with a gun". Police have been armed with guns forever. All Americans accept that police need guns.

Pierre was not arguing for police to be armed. He was arguing for gun nuts to be armed.

So you and all the gun nuts in this land have been deputized by Wayne LaPierre to stop bad men with guns.

It's that simple,.

You no likee, take it up  with La Pierre.

[sirs]

A cop IS a good guy with a gun.   

[Plane]

  I really want to  see more before I make up my mind on this one.


    Just that this guy had a gun with him is not a good reason to tackle him.

     If there was not more provocation and reasonable suspicion than has been exposed to the public so far then these police have done a bad job.

     Knowing that a citizen has a gun should not increase a policeman's likely hood of grabbing at him.

     After all, where are the people that a policeman knows certainly are not armed?

   There must be some more facts to come.

     There were body cams there, what does the situation look like in them?

[sirs]

Precisely, Plane.  We need all the facts, not just some video snippet with an already cop-guilty conclusion of some targeted killing of a black man by white cops.

And on a related note,
- has anyone noted the lack of reporting that the officer involved in the Minnesota shooting wasn't white? 
- Anyone noticing also the lack of reporting that there was a black officer killed in Louisiana?   
- Anyone notice the lack of reporting as to the Louisiana killer's apparent "political" affiliation(s)?

[Plane]

  We will be lucky to get enough facts.

   Even though there may have been four recording devices present.

     It is rare to get ALL of the facts............

       ....and common to be handed all the facts that fit an agenda or narrative.

       The best we can hope for is some honest reporting and a FOIA on the evidence the police have.


        I think we are really not accustomed yet to cameras being all over the place.

    Nasty incidents like this are in all probability less common , but much more seen.

[Xavier_Onassis]

Well, golly, the body cams on both of the Baton Rouge cops fell plumb off.

As Church Lady was wont to say, "How con VEEEEEN-ient!"

There was no reason for Sterling to be dead. I bet the City of Baton Rouge pays a nice settlement, just like Baltimore did to Feeddy Gray's family.

Just another "unfortunate accident," right sirs?

Them Black folks sure has themselves a lot of unfortunate accidents.

[sirs]

 Yes...it was.  Had he complied wifh officers, he'd be alive today.  Lesson 1.....when an officee gives you a command YOU OBEY IT, AND KEEP YOUR HANDS AWAY FROM YOUR BODY & POCKETS

[Xavier_Onassis]

There is zero evidence on any of the videos that this guy was any threat whatever to these cops.