Obamacare and Hillary Clinton

[Plane]

http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/anaylsis-how-donald-trump-just-single-handedly-saved-obamacare/ar-BBvyMVO?ocid=UE12DHP

Obamacare will survive politically if Hillary is elected.

I guess that is true, the Republican responsibility in that case will be nil.

Unfortunately it will still grow messy financially.

Sometimes it looks like the worst thing DJ Trump can do to Hillary Rodham-Clinton is to let her win.

[Xavier_Onassis]

The Republicans have the right to deliver the services that the people want.
There will be no going back to the bad old days of health care as a profit center for greedy companies that could deny coverage.

Trump has no real plan, he is all hot air.

[Plane]

The Republicans have the right to deliver the services that the people want.
There will be no going back to the bad old days of health care as a profit center for greedy companies that could deny coverage.

Trump has no real plan, he is all hot air.

President Obama had no plan either, he seemed to call for the AHC act to be written by the biggest and clumsiest committee ever assembled.

Thus we have Obamacare, a perpetual motion machine with a million parts .

It is not an improvement to most of us , for a simple majority of us it is an increase in cost and a decrease in available choices.

Does the hot air from Obama just smell sweeter or something?

[Xavier_Onassis]

We need a single payer system, modeled on Medicare. It works.

[Plane]

We need a single payer system, modeled on Medicare. It works.

What we had before Obama care worked better than what we have now careening towards national collapse .

If there is a better way , why pass through a worse way first?

[sirs]

No....it doesn't work.  It's never worked, not in any country....ever.  Single payer is neither compatible with our form of economic system, nor our Constitution

The best part about Obamination Care, as it continues to implode, and take our either healthcare system down with it, is that its ALL Democrat.  It's their satanic child, they want so badly to have the GOP help "fix", so they can be married to it as well, when it was rammed down their throats, and the country's throat, despite majority opposition to it, that's never changed.

There is no fix to it, but yet the idiocy of claiming we need an even more massive version of it to cover everything, in order to fix it, is the height of blinded ideological ignorance

[Xavier_Onassis]

The medical establishment is severely flawed: they refuse to give prices for any procedure and then claim that the market and competition set the prices.  Socialized medicine keeps people healthy in most of the developed nations on this planet, and prevents people from being economically ruined by a devious and hateful medical establishment that overcharges people with assets until they are bankrupt.

Americans now see healthcare as a RIGHT, and no matter who is elected, the bad old days will never return.

Treating sick and injured human beings as profit centers is simply unacceptable.

[sirs]

No Americans DON"T see that.  Only the lunatic left sees someone else's services as a right.  then again, they've always supported that mindset.  It's what led to the Democrats starting the KKK 

[Xavier_Onassis]

Democrats started the KKK because they thought being healthy was a right? In 1865? Really?
You mind is twisted, sirs.

Tell us how many citizens enjoy the prospect of being bankrupted by some fucking hospital administrator.

[sirs]

No, they started the KKK because they believed the services of another, was a right.

[kimba1]

A single payer system is natural goal for both sides but obamacare gets the lion share of the attention. Regular insurance is doing that also buy eating each other to become one giant system.


The problem is healthcare is expensive and both systems do not address it. the majority of our focus on this topic is out of pocket cost. Never on how expensive and ways to lower. When i do bring it up some defend it as worth it . Better the high cost to get that quality. I have serious doubts its worth it.


eventually the price will rise so high the whole thing may collapse

[sirs]

That's the very goal of Obamincation care.....to destroy what was perhaps the best Heathcare system in the world (albeit with its problems, but compared to nearly every other country's healthcare system, a model of quality and care), in order to proclaim how we just have to put Government in control of all of it.  Then watch just how bad the quality gets, the exponetial waiting periods for even the most simplist of jopint replacements, condemning our older population to months, if not years longer, waiting for pain relief.  All that, that could have been preserved, with simply a fraction of the legislation of Obamination Care, to address those with pre-existing conditions

Then again, the folks behind Obamination Care had very little intention of addressing healthcare.  It was all an ideoligical agenda to foster in complete Government control of our healthcare.  Once they have control of everyone's health, they have the power to manipulate, just about anything

[kimba1]

best is questionable due to cost of the care and if available. long before obamacare we had medical vacations . people actually leave the united states to go to cuba, china etc for medical care. due to cost and services not available in the U.S.

joint replacements are also done in india and with more advance products due to the U.S. having greater restrictions.

[Xavier_Onassis]

We should press for legislation to require US insurance to pay for valid medical treatment outside this country. US hospitals refuse to reveal what rather predictable and simple procedures cost: to have an operation, a patient must sign a form allowing the hospital to charge as much as it wishes. So there is no real competition. You must buy a Cadillac (and the doctor's Cadillac as well) at an undisclosed price or you can just do without, they say.

The price of a colonoscopy in Miami can vary from $200 to $5000. And it is done with the same number of people and the same equipment. It all depends on one's insurance.

[kimba1]

I think some insurance in the past used to fly patients out of the country to cut cost. But today I can't say what's being done now