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No! to any active US involvement in war in Ukraine
« on: February 24, 2022, 06:56:42 PM »
Personally I think we have no business fighting a war in Russia's backyard. Before the Soviet collapse, Russia was in control of Ukraine for decades. Tons of Russians live in Ukraine. The perpetual War Party in Washington after a 20 year war finally ends in Afghanistan, now want a new war in Russia's backyard in a place 95% of Americans couldn't find on a map. War mongers say "well what if this this and this happens and so we gotta go spend billions and your grandson's blood way over there now". Blah blah blah. Washington is trying to make Ukraine a member of NATO, how would we feel if Russia was making Toronto a military ally and intending to build military bases across our border in Toronto? Instead of wars in states bordering Russia thousands and thousands miles away, I prefer to spend that money on Americans....our schools, our roads, our elderly, our inner cities, our border security, our hospitals, our vets.

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Re: No! to any active US involvement in war in Ukraine
« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2022, 12:05:08 PM »
Beware the propaganda media: Russia-Ukraine is not our fight no matter what they say
We have enough on our hands already.

by Seth Hancock

?Against the insidious wiles of foreign influences (I conjure you to believe me, fellow-citizens), the jealousy of a free people ought to be constantly awake, since history and experience prove that foreign influence is one of the most baneful foes of republican government. But that jealousy, to be useful, must be impartial; else it becomes the instrument of the very influence to be avoided, instead of a defence(sic) against it. Excessive partiality for one foreign nation, and excessive dislike of another, cause those whom they actuate to see danger only on one side, and serve to veil and even second the arts of influence on the other. Real patriots who may resist the intrigues of the favorite, are liable to become suspected and odious; while its tools and dupes usurp the applause and confidence of the people, to surrender their interests.?
?George Washington, farewell address

 Do you know anything about the Russia-Ukraine conflict? Do you know anything about the history behind it?

 Better yet, does the lying propogandist media and the warmongering politicians, both left and right, know anything they?re talking about?

 Does anyone know who the Ukrainian nationalists are?

 Does anyone know who Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky is?

 Make no mistake, Russia President Vladimir Putin is not justified in his actions, but does anyone know how this got started? Pat Buchanan wrote a brief synopsis of the history of this.

 This is one oligarch fighting another oligarch. There are no good players in this conflict, including the oligarchs of the West who have been promoting this war and the start of World War III.

 More importantly than all of that is, this is not our fight.

 Meanwhile, we?ve got so many ?conservative? talking heads looking to score political points. As Daniel McAdams writes for the Ron Paul Institute, these ?conservatives? and Republican politicians are all looking to get air time to call Joe Biden weak as they dangerously push the Biden regime to get us into war.

 And Biden is making moves suggesting he will oblige.

 ?So goes the thinking of the armchair right-wingers,? McAdams wrote. ?And I don?t even mean neocons: plenty of those now scoring body blows on our president-on-the-ropes are Trumpers and even populists. The question to these ?weak Biden? jaw-boners remains: what would you have done to show how ?tough? you are that would sufficiently terrify the Russian president into accepting US missiles on (what would be) NATO-member Ukraine?s soil? Nuke Moscow out of the blue? And sacrifice the United States in the process? That?s ?pro-America?? Killing America??

McAdams added: ?Conservatives of our era are woefully uneducated, uninterested, and uninformed. There are no Sobrans or Menckens among them because they willfully know nothing ? and care even less ? about that upon which they opine. They stand for nothing but cheap political points. Twitter ?gotcha? points.?

 In fact, these ?conservatives? who love to chant ?America first,? merely a slogan to these unprincipled mouth breathers, sound a lot like Rachel Maddow right now, as McAdams points out.

 If these ?conservatives? want to land blows on Biden, maybe they could hit him for the actions of his former boss Barrack Obama who, along with other presidents, helped to provoke this over years. However, that would mean denouncing the imperialist, interventionist policies that they too support, especially when Republicans do it.

They too are engrained with the American hubris.

 ?Once and for all: It?s not President Biden?s ?weakness? that has botched up US relations with Russia and Ukraine and put us on the verge of war,? McAdams wrote. ?It?s the stupidity of US interventionism under Vice President Biden! Were it not for the US-backed coup in 2014 we wouldn?t be talking about Crimea returned to Russia or the crisis in the Donbas.?

McAdams added: ?It?s not weakness, but the stupidity of ?interventionism? ? a bipartisan affliction ? that is the source of the problem!?

 Instead of these ?conservative? talking heads and politicians, who would never go fight in a war themselves, I?d rather listen to a 13-year veteran like Dan McKnight, founder of Bring Our Troops Home.

 ?We must remain steadfast,? McKnight said. ?This isn?t our fight. The cause of America first has won a great victory. The White House has stated that there are no scenarios where the U.S. soldiers are deployed to Ukraine to fight the Russians. And that?s because of our pressure on the administration. It?s because of our activism that American troops are not boarding planes to die on the European step.?

 McKnight fought in Afghanistan and said ?war is hell.? He knows that because he saw it.

He said the propagandists are working overtime to get us emotionally vested into supporting Ukraine even though ?the fact is, Ukraine has the same economic oligarchs as Russia, the same corruption.?

 Michael Lebron, otherwise known as Lionel Nation, gave some pretty good advice.

 Turn off the news.

Tune out the propagandists.

 ?Do not watch any cable news, anybody, anybody. Fox, MSNBC, it doesn?t matter?. It?s written for idiots, by idiots and with idiots in mind,? Lionel said.
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Re: No! to any active US involvement in war in Ukraine
« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2022, 10:53:06 AM »
I know someone who would agree . But he's allso very anti-america . I often explained why he's here is because he thinks america is so inferior that he'll run this place. Currently he's sort of hiding from us at my job. I use him as a reference of how some russians thinks. He's not the 1st guy i know thinks like this.