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6 charged with plot on Army post in N.J
« on: May 08, 2007, 03:04:06 PM »
6 charged with plot on Army post in N.J. By WAYNE PARRY, Associated Press Writer
 1 minute ago
 


Six Islamic militants from Yugoslavia and the Middle East were arrested on charges of plotting to attack the Fort Dix Army post and "kill as many soldiers as possible," authorities said Tuesday.

In conversations secretly recorded by an FBI informant over the past year, the men talked about killing in the name of Allah and attacking U.S. warships that might dock in Philadelphia, according an FBI criminal complaint.

"This was a serious plot put together by people who were intent on harming Americans," U.S. Attorney Christopher Christie said Tuesday. "We're very gratified federal law enforcement was able to catch these people before they acted and took innocent life."

One suspect reportedly spoke of using rocket-propelled grenades to kill at least 100 soldiers at a time, according to court documents.

"If you want to do anything here, there is Fort Dix and I don't want to exaggerate, and I assure you that you can hit an American base very easily," suspect Mohamad Ibrahim Shnewer said in one conversation secretly recorded by a government informant, according to the criminal complaint.

"It doesn't matter to me whether I get locked up, arrested or get taken away," a suspect identified as Serdar Tatar said in another recorded conversation. "Or I die, it doesn't matter. I'm doing it in the name of Allah."

Another suspect, Eljvir Duka, was recorded saying: "In the end, when it comes to defending your religion, when someone is trying attacks your religion, your way of life, then you go jihad."

White House spokesman Tony Snow said Tuesday there is "no direct evidence" that the men had ties to international terrorism.

The FBI was tipped off in January 2006 when a shopkeeper alerted agents about a "disturbing" video he had been asked to copy onto a DVD, according to court documents. The video showed 10 men in their early 20s "shooting assault weapons at a firing range ... while calling for jihad and shouting in Arabic 'Allah Akbar' (God is great)," the complaint said.

Six of the 10 men on the tape were identified as those arrested in the plot. They were arrested Monday trying to buy automatic weapons from an FBI informant, officials said.

Christie said one of the suspects worked at Super Mario's Pizza in nearby Cookstown and delivered pizzas to the base.

"What concerns us is, obviously, they began conducting surveillance and weapons training in the woods and were discussing killing large numbers of soldiers," said Justice Department spokesman Dean Boyd.

The six were scheduled to appear in U.S. District Court in Camden later Tuesday to face charges of conspiracy to kill U.S. servicemen, said Michael Drewniak, a spokesman for the U.S. Attorney's Office in New Jersey.

Four of the men were born in the former Yugoslavia, one in Jordan and one in Turkey, officials said. All had lived in the United States for years. Three were in the country illegally; two had green cards allowing them to stay permanently; the other is a U.S. citizen.

Besides Shnewer, Tatar and Eljvir Duka, the other men were identified in court papers as Dritan Duka and Shain Duka. Checks with Immigration and Customs Enforcement show that the Dukas were illegally in the U.S., according to FBI complaints unsealed with their arrests.

Five of the men lived in Cherry Hill, a Philadelphia suburb about 20 miles from Fort Dix.

"They were planning an attack on Fort Dix in which they would kill as many soldiers as possible," Drewniak said.

A law enforcement official, speaking on condition of anonymity because documents in the case remain sealed, said the attack was stopped in the planning stages. The men also allegedly conducted surveillance at other area military institutions, including Fort Monmouth, a U.S. Army installation, the official said.

By March 2006, the group had been infiltrated by an informant who developed a relationship with Shnewer, according to court documents. The informant secretly recorded meetings in August in which Shnewer said he and the others were part of a group planning to attack a U.S. military base, the complaints said.

Shnewer named Fort Dix and a nearby Navy base, explaining that the group "could utilize six or seven jihadists to attack and kill at least one hundred soldiers by using rocket-propelled grenades" or other weapons, the complaints said. The Navy base was not named in the papers.

Fort Dix is used to train soldiers, particularly reservists. It also housed refugees from Kosovo in 1999.

The base has been closed to the public since the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks and has heavily armed guards at entrances, yet the main road through neighboring Cookstown cuts through the base and is accessible to the public.

The description of the suspects as "Islamic militants" renewed fears in New Jersey's Muslim community. Hundreds of Muslim men from New Jersey were rounded up and detained by authorities in the months following the 2001 attacks, but none was connected to that plot.

"If these people did something, then they deserve to be punished to the fullest extent of the law," said Sohail Mohammed, a lawyer who represented many of the detainees. "But when the government says 'Islamic militants,' it sends a message to the public that Islam and militancy are synonymous."

"Don't equate actions with religion," he said.

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Associated Press Writers Matt Apuzzo and Ben Feller in Washington, Geoff Mulvihill in Mount Laurel, Tom Hester Jr. in Trenton and Jeffrey Gold in Newark contributed to this story.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070508/ap_on_re_us/fort_dix_plot&printer=1;_ylt=AsrE7UFBSYWMOCHr25b1xWRH2ocA

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Re: 6 charged with plot on Army post in N.J
« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2007, 03:24:47 PM »
Three of the six are in the U.S. illegally, according to an FBI affidavit filed with the criminal complaints.



(Bill O'Reilley is going to eat this up)

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/05/08/fortdix.plot/index.html



According to the affidavit, the case began to take shape in January 2006, when an employee of a store told the FBI someone had brought a "disturbing" video to be duplicated.

The video "depicted 10 young men who appeared to be in their early twenties shooting assault weapons at a firing range in a militia-like style while calling for jihad and shouting in Arabic 'Allah Akbar,'" Arabic for 'God is Great,' the affidavit said.



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The intelligence required to be a terrorist?

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Re: 6 charged with plot on Army post in N.J
« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2007, 12:33:02 PM »
Three of the six are in the U.S. illegally, according to an FBI affidavit filed with the criminal complaints.



(Bill O'Reilley is going to eat this up)

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/05/08/fortdix.plot/index.html



According to the affidavit, the case began to take shape in January 2006, when an employee of a store told the FBI someone had brought a "disturbing" video to be duplicated.

The video "depicted 10 young men who appeared to be in their early twenties shooting assault weapons at a firing range in a militia-like style while calling for jihad and shouting in Arabic 'Allah Akbar,'" Arabic for 'God is Great,' the affidavit said.



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The intelligence required to be a terrorist?

Even if this is true, their intelligence is at least 10 times that of the Bushidiot's who was told by his daddy that eliminating Saddam  was a mistake. http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/gulfwar.asp
This episode will probly turn out to be bullshit anyway because no one could be only 10 times smarter than the Bushidiot.
The whole thing reeks of the same falsehood of everything the Bush Admenstuation does.

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Re: 6 charged with plot on Army post in N.J
« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2007, 01:18:42 PM »
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The whole thing reeks of the same falsehood of everything the Bush Admenstuation does.

Hmmmm. Sounds like you are disappointed that the plot didn't carry toward fruition.

Maybe next time.


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Re: 6 charged with plot on Army post in N.J
« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2007, 01:49:41 PM »
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/26/weapons.raids.ap/index.html

Federal and state agents arrested six men and seized an arsenal of homemade hand grenades and firearms in raids Thursday, including one that forced the shutdown of a school.

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Agents recovered 130 hand grenades, a grenade launcher, about 70 hand grenades rigged to be fired from a rifle, a machine gun, a short-barrel shotgun, 2,500 rounds of ammunition, explosives components, stolen fireworks and other items, said Jim Cavanaugh, regional head of the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.
[...........]]

But these were not Islamists, so we probably won't hear much about them.
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Re: 6 charged with plot on Army post in N.J
« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2007, 01:56:16 PM »
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The whole thing reeks of the same falsehood of everything the Bush Admenstuation does.

Hmmmm. Sounds like you are disappointed that the plot didn't carry toward fruition.

Maybe next time.



I am only disappointed in your shallow & demented mind.
You can be sure there will be a next time with your idiots in charge and all the first responders will be in Iraq with their equipment.

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« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2007, 01:59:33 PM »
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/26/weapons.raids.ap/index.html

Federal and state agents arrested six men and seized an arsenal of homemade hand grenades and firearms in raids Thursday, including one that forced the shutdown of a school.
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But these were not Islamists, so we probably won't hear much about them.

why would we?  Your article indicates that A) there was no plot that was foiled, and B) they're not part of any foreign, or even domestic terrorist organization........that's according to your article.  So, why would we hear much about them?  Trying to twist this into some racial issue, Lanya?
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Re: 6 charged with plot on Army post in N.J
« Reply #7 on: May 09, 2007, 02:03:18 PM »
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But these were not Islamists, so we probably won't hear much about them.

And yet the link was to CNN. So i guess we did hear about them.


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Re: 6 charged with plot on Army post in N.J
« Reply #8 on: May 09, 2007, 02:06:05 PM »
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You can be sure there will be a next time with your idiots in charge and all the first responders will be in Iraq with their equipment.

There will be a next time no matter who is in charge.

Do you want to go one record as declaring it would ever happen under a dem administration?

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« Reply #9 on: May 09, 2007, 02:25:41 PM »
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You can be sure there will be a next time with your idiots in charge and all the first responders will be in Iraq with their equipment.



Do you want to go one record as declaring it would ever happen under a dem administration?


Of course not, but we are more likely not to waste lives & resources in a phony baloney war.

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« Reply #10 on: May 09, 2007, 06:54:37 PM »
I'm glad these guys were followed for a year and caught.
My point about them and contrasting them with the militia group is that they had disabled guns, or so I read, while the militia group had lots of stuff that sounded very dangerous. Home-made hand grenades, rifles, forced a shut-down of a school.   

...........Agents recovered 130 hand grenades, a grenade launcher, about 70 hand grenades rigged to be fired from a rifle, a machine gun, a short-barrel shotgun, 2,500 rounds of ammunition, explosives components, stolen fireworks and other items, said Jim Cavanaugh, regional head of the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives........................

,,,,,,,,,,,,,,The men, members of the self-styled "Alabama Free Militia," had no apparent plans to use the weapons, but the leader was described as a federal fugitive, federal authorities said...........................
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/26/weapons.raids.ap/index.html

The Fox News title is: Feds Raid Alabama Militia Group, Uncover Small Weapons Arsenal
.............Officials said ATF agents encountered booby traps at one of the search sites.

The weapons cache also included a machine gun, a short barreled shot-gun, two silencers, numerous other firearms, 2500 rounds of ammunition, explosive components, and commercial fireworks. Agents also found more than 120 marijuana plants, Martin said.  .............
............Sources told FOX News that the six suspects were involved in manufacturing homemade weapons and explosives, and that one of the suspects had tried to sell hand grenades to undercover federal agents. The group has also allegedly been involved in the sales and distribution of other types of explosive devices and weapons, but the nature of these has not yet been revealed.

"Today's arrest and search warrants have been significant due to the success of the combined efforts by ATF, as well as our state, local and federal partners," Cavanaugh said Thursday. "The communities in the area are safer, considering the fact that large quantities of live grenades and other explosive materials have been safely removed. Excellent investigative team work led us to this point in our investigation.".............

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,268726,00.html

So the latter scares me more than the former, but it didn't get the full terror treatment. Maybe people should not base their wariness on whether someone looks Middle Eastern.  There are plenty of homegrown wackos around.
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« Reply #11 on: May 09, 2007, 07:12:21 PM »
I'm glad these guys were followed for a year and caught.
My point about them and contrasting them with the militia group is that they had disabled guns, or so I read, while the militia group had lots of stuff that sounded very dangerous. Home-made hand grenades, rifles, forced a shut-down of a school.

 

YET, were not plotting anything we're aware of, and not part of any national global enterprise of bring death and chaos to the country.  That can't be said for the Islamic terrorists now, can it. 


So the latter scares me more than the former, but it didn't get the full terror treatment. Maybe people should not base their wariness on whether someone looks Middle Eastern.  There are plenty of homegrown wackos around.

Perhaps because again, the latter weren't plotting anything, while the former WERE.  Personally I'm more concerned about the whacos who are actually planning on killing, vs those whacos who are simply scared of Government, and not planning anything outside of stocking up in case the Government comes after them.  And strangely, race or "how they look" has nothing to do with that concern
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Re: 6 charged with plot on Army post in N.J
« Reply #12 on: May 09, 2007, 07:13:44 PM »
My point about them and contrasting them with the militia group is that they had disabled guns, or so I read, while the militia group had lots of stuff that sounded very dangerous. Home-made hand grenades, rifles, forced a shut-down of a school.   

The group planning an attack on Ft. Dix had "disabled guns"? Where did you get that info from? The article said that they were shooting their guns in woods.
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« Reply #13 on: May 09, 2007, 09:55:55 PM »
Ami,
 I got it from reading only  a bit of an article about it. 

# April 6, 2007: Dritan Duka orders four AK-47 machine guns as well as M-16 firearms and handguns from an arms dealer working as an informant for the FBI.
# April 27, 2007: Shnewer orders an AK-47 machine gun.
# May 7, 2007: The suspects are arrested after they take possession of several disabled machine guns.
http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/112-05082007-1343318.html

On closer reading I see they had weapons that were not disabled. 
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« Reply #14 on: May 09, 2007, 10:12:27 PM »
Ami,
 I got it from reading only  a bit of an article about it. 

# April 6, 2007: Dritan Duka orders four AK-47 machine guns as well as M-16 firearms and handguns from an arms dealer working as an informant for the FBI.
# April 27, 2007: Shnewer orders an AK-47 machine gun.
# May 7, 2007: The suspects are arrested after they take possession of several disabled machine guns.
http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/112-05082007-1343318.html

On closer reading I see they had weapons that were not disabled. 


Looks as those wepons were just props in the arrest process.