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sirs

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Pure evil, I tell ya
« on: May 24, 2007, 05:34:22 AM »
Dems to Bush: You are evil
Posted: May 17, 2007

While studying psychology in college, I read about an experiment on the pressure to conform.

Several people sat around a long, rectangular table. The "instructor" and all but one person seated at the table were confederates in the experiment. The instructor held up a sheet of paper with a line drawn exactly six inches long. He then handed the sheet to a seated confederate and said, "Guess the length of this line."

The man, as previously agreed, said, "About two inches." The paper then went clockwise around the table until it reached the only person not in on the experiment. Until then, each person "guessed" anywhere from two to three and a half inches, even though the line was obviously much, much longer.

When the paper was slid to the final person – the only one not in on the ruse – he, too, said, "About three inches."

Perhaps this explains a recent poll put out by the "non-partisan" Rasmussen Reports. A mind-blowing 35 percent of Democrats believe the president possessed prior knowledge of the 9-11 terror attacks that killed over 3,000 Americans. Another 26 percent of Democrats said that they are "not sure."

Thus 61 percent of Democrats believe or consider themselves uncertain about the assertion that the president knew in advance about the terror attacks of 9-11, yet did nothing to stop them.

Now, I've long since accepted that many Democrats flat-out hate the president. Democrats, for example, far more so than Republicans, believe in the idea that government must "level the playing field." So Democrats oppose tax cuts that "help the rich." I strongly disagree, but I get it.

Because Republicans – more so than Democrats – believe in limited government, they stand accused of selfishness. This argument, too, I at least understand. Never mind that in the recent book, "Who Really Cares?" Syracuse University professor Arthur C. Brooks found Republicans gave more to charity – in both time and money – than Democrats. It turns out that if one supports smaller government, he or she is more likely to feel the need to step in and help the needy by donating time and money. Also, the more religious the person, found Brooks, the more likely he or she gives to charity. Religious Democrats gave as much as religious Republicans, but Democrats as a whole were less religious than Republicans. Some secular Democrats feel uncomfortable with a religious president, whom they feel "gets his guidance from God." So I can understand the discomfort of the Democrats with the president's religiosity.

On the issue of global warming, many Democrats side with Al Gore, who believes the "debate on global warming is over." They find it obscene that the president objects to a worldwide accord to deal with the "crisis." I believe they're wrong, but this, too, I get. If the scientists all agree, why this leaves only the dissenting global-warming-denying, gas-guzzling, smoke-stack-belching capitalists.

Health care is a "right," so says former presidential candidate John Kerry. Most Democrats nod in agreement. Never mind that of the 46 million people in America who lack health-care insurance, about half go without health care for only a few months, while they are between jobs. About three-quarters go without health care for less than a year. And 10 percent have high-paying jobs, but choose to pocket the money they would spend on insurance premiums. Millions more without health-care insurance came here illegally. But at least I get the Democrats' objection to government "failure" to provide health-care insurance.

As to the war in Iraq, most Democrats oppose it. Most Republicans, however, still support the war and still think victory possible. Only two House Republicans supported the war-funding-with-troop-withdrawal-deadlines legislation passed at the end of April by Congress. In the Senate, two Republicans voted for it.

This complicated war now approaches its fifth year, with nearly daily headlines of setbacks and American military deaths.
We awaken nearly every morning to headlines of American military deaths and Iraqi sectarian violence.
The current Iraqi government appears confused and ineffective; and the international chorus calling Iraq a "blunder" grows louder and louder.

Thus, I get the Democrats' anger toward Bush's "stubbornness" for continuing to prosecute the war despite near worldwide opposition and the dwindling number of allies, including the British.

But do 61 percent of Democrats "honestly" believe the president "allowed" 9-11 to occur, taking no measure whatsoever to stop it?

Please tell me this reflects an insincere desire to simply conform rather than a sincere belief that the president willingly allowed over 3,000 Americans to perish. Tell me you say this with your fingers crossed.

Please.


Darth Bush

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Re: Pure evil, I tell ya
« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2007, 10:58:53 AM »
I don't know how you can accuse anyone of following majority thought in lock-step unless the "majority" is overwhelming.  Obviously there is a divided opinon here, some think yes, some think no.  Everyone who thinks no knows there are a lot of "yes" opinions and eveyone who thinks yes knows there are a lot of "no" opinions.

Also that "Republicans give more to charity" argument is bullshit.  Republicans have a lot more money and represent a lot more rich people than Democrats.  What they give in totality is insignificant compared to what could be raised by taxes on the entire population or to what they would HAVE to give if properly taxed.  And I'll bet that none of those studies ever factor in what the Republicans' net gift really amounts to after allowing for the tax deductions and other accounting benefits they reap from their "generosity" or how much of their "giving" is to family-controlled charitable foundations which produce a lot of perks for the "giver."

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Re: Pure evil, I tell ya
« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2007, 11:25:33 AM »
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Also that "Republicans give more to charity" argument is bullshit.  Republicans have a lot more money and represent a lot more rich people than Democrats.  What they give in totality is insignificant compared to what could be raised by taxes on the entire population or to what they would HAVE to give if properly taxed.  And I'll bet that none of those studies ever factor in what the Republicans' net gift really amounts to after allowing for the tax deductions and other accounting benefits they reap from their "generosity" or how much of their "giving" is to family-controlled charitable foundations which produce a lot of perks for the "giver."

Republicans should cease giving to charity. They give for all the wrong reasons and do not have purity of heart.

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Re: Pure evil, I tell ya
« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2007, 12:06:46 PM »
<<Republicans should cease giving to charity. They give for all the wrong reasons and do not have purity of heart. >>

But they have so much guilt to purge because they're so evil.  They really need to continue giving.

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Re: Pure evil, I tell ya
« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2007, 12:15:05 PM »
But they have so much guilt to purge because they're so evil.  They really need to continue giving.

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Re: Pure evil, I tell ya
« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2007, 12:28:03 PM »
There would be a difference between those (such as the wealthy) that make charitable contributions, and deduct it from their taxes, thereby leaving evidence of their generosity, and  poorer people who take the standard deduction and do NOT deduct it.

So the argument that Republicans (many of whom have more to give) are more charitable by nature than Democrats seems suspect to me.

Juniorbush benefited from 9-11. Without it, he would have never gotten approval for his stupid bungling invasion of Iraq. Or any other invasion of anywhere else.

We would have been a lot safer had Olebush and Clinton not stationed troops within Saudi Arabia, some of whom were passing out Bibles in Arabic and really pissing the Saudis off.

9-11 was provoked by people who should have known better than to provoke it. I would imagine Big Oil would have felt more secure with US troops in Dahrain, as well as Israel, since there is a lot of unrest in Saudi Arabia, and the overthrow of the Saudis was a distinct possibility when oil prices were low.

How much of that $3.00 gasoline price is due to propping up the House of Saud?
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Re: Pure evil, I tell ya
« Reply #6 on: May 24, 2007, 12:32:39 PM »
There would be a difference between those (such as the wealthy) that make charitable contributions, and deduct it from their taxes, thereby leaving evidence of their generosity, and  poorer people who take the standard deduction and do NOT deduct it.





Don't the same sort of study reveil that the more welthy are less charitable than the less?


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Re: Pure evil, I tell ya
« Reply #7 on: May 24, 2007, 12:43:34 PM »
There would be a difference between those (such as the wealthy) that make charitable contributions, and deduct it from their taxes, thereby leaving evidence of their generosity, and  poorer people who take the standard deduction and do NOT deduct it.

Actually there have been several studies. Believe it or not, they didn't rely on tax data.

The scale went roughly (from most donations per capita to least):

poor Republicans
poor Democrats
rich Republicans
rich Democrats
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Re: Pure evil, I tell ya
« Reply #8 on: May 24, 2007, 01:25:26 PM »
Where did the anarchists rank in this study?

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Re: Pure evil, I tell ya
« Reply #9 on: May 24, 2007, 01:29:24 PM »
Where did the anarchists rank in this study?

Don't remember the details. You could always look it up if you want.

Basically, it was determined that the less money you made, the more likely you were to donate, and the more conservative you were, the more likely you were to donate.
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Re: Pure evil, I tell ya
« Reply #10 on: May 24, 2007, 02:08:45 PM »
I was just kidding about the anarchists.  Your data seems to fit what I read somewhere about TV evangelists who live in multi-million dollar homes - - apparently most of their donations come from elderly black women living alone on very small pensions. 

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Re: Pure evil, I tell ya
« Reply #11 on: May 25, 2007, 04:53:03 AM »
Republicans have a lot more money and represent a lot more rich people than Democrats.  What they give in totality is insignificant compared to what could be raised by taxes on the entire population or to what they would HAVE to give if properly taxed.  

Always nice to know those who are absolutely convinced how best to spend other people's money     :P
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Re: Pure evil, I tell ya
« Reply #12 on: May 25, 2007, 01:45:31 PM »
Where did the anarchists rank in this study?


In the "it is none of your business" column.