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Mr_Perceptive

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Re: "They're about taking out the entire Iranian military"
« Reply #15 on: September 03, 2007, 09:07:23 PM »
It is unclear to me whether this will actually transpire. And, if you were to do it, it certainly doesn't make sense to advertise it ahead of time. Plus, if the Administration wanted to do this, they should have done it years ago before the facilities were hardened and additional anti-aircraft batteries implaced.

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Re: "They're about taking out the entire Iranian military"
« Reply #16 on: September 03, 2007, 09:20:15 PM »
<<Don't care about what others think. You shouldn't either. >>

I beg to differ.  The fact is the U.S. is not tough enough or rich enough to do the job on its own.  Tough talk like yours is cheap, childish and counter-productive.

Sept. 11 happened because 19 guys whose thoughts YOU don't care about were able to kill 3,000 American citizens on their home turf, motivated by nothing more than hatred of America and armed with nothing more than box-cutters.  So far the cost of preparing against a second Sept. 11 has cost you in the hundreds of billions.  And others like them can strike again anytime, anywhere.

<<Do your job. They don't like it, tough for them. >>

As Sept. 11 shows, tough for you as well.

<<Life isn't fair! >>

But Sept. 11 shows a billion Muslims that sometimes it CAN be.

<<Typical liberal platitudes. Only wimps worry about such things.>>

Well, you are clearly wrong.  Anyone who can read a balance sheet should worry about such things.  Because you are not alone in the world, you are coexistent with - - and competitive with - - some very powerful players, including China, the EU, India, Japan and others.  Your dollar is slipping badly against the euro.  It would be slipping badly against the Chinese renminbi as well, were the latter not artificially maintained by the Chinese for their own purposes.  The dollar drain caused by the "war on terror" alone is a huge drain on your dollar reserves and on your national wealth generally.  A second front opening will cause you to haemorrhage dollars like blood.  You'll be lucky to survive the dollar drain of the current war alone.  It seems to me you ought to be desperately concerned to bring the current campaign to an end and to avoid any new fronts opening up.  In other words, you need to be desperately concerned about what others think about the U.S.A.  You've pissed off just about all the people that you can afford to piss off. 

<<You talk and walk from a a position of strength, always. >>

Precisely.  And what kind of "postion of strength" does the U.S. occupy, when a two-bit country of 23 million people without air power and without all the leading-edge military technology, can stand you off for FOUR YEARS (longer than all of WWII) with no end in sight, after you've exhausted all tactics including torture of prisoners and massacres of civilian populations?  Wake up - - you are NOT in a "position of strength."  You are a bunch of pussies, afraid to die, fighting enemies who are eager for martyrdom.  You are doomed to fail in this venture and to blow your brains out, financially speaking, in the attempt.

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Re: "They're about taking out the entire Iranian military"
« Reply #17 on: September 03, 2007, 10:32:08 PM »
mr perceptive, i  think we should do it tomorrow morning if possible
i think president bush will attack (aerial) the islamic theocrats before his term ends
the sooner the better
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Re: "They're about taking out the entire Iranian military"
« Reply #18 on: September 03, 2007, 11:31:15 PM »
We could put them back to the Stone Age, from the air. It is unclear whether presently we have the ordnance in inventory, however. It would take about ninety days, minimum, to build it up.

Should we is a different matter altogether.

Behind the scenes support for terrorists is one thing. If they were to openly support them, via proof, now THAT, ladies and gentleman, is another issue altogether.

http://www.zianet.com/tmorris/thuletimes1nov2001.pdf

   I don't know why you think it would take more than two days , we don't have even a third of the bomb carriers we had when we were ready to blast the USSR on a minutes notice , but the Iranians are much less than a third of the challenge to destroy.

    If we used the bombers that are ready already and used the bombs that are already ready wouldn't that be enough?

   The thing that takes all the prep time and large transport is the land force , the Airforce is already where it needs to be .
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« Reply #19 on: September 04, 2007, 11:47:19 AM »
mr perceptive, i  think we should do it tomorrow morning if possible
i think president bush will attack (aerial) the islamic theocrats before his term ends
the sooner the better

I like the way this guy thinks, but it still would have been easier years ago. Less ordnance needed, as an example.

Cruise missiles would be the obvious ordnance of choice. The downside being, of occurse, that a cruise can't carry much HEAT. Then again, a thousand of them make a nice popping sound. It really does sound like popping corn when they hit in quantity. Lovely sound.

Silo-destroyers (e.g. "bunker busters") and heavier ordnance must be dropped from C-130s or B-52s, so that is a hassle. Can't remember whether the B-1 was fitted for this task as well. Does anyone else know? Those, the bombers, you could house and run 'em out of Diego or cross-country them from the central US if necessary.

You could do some real damage at low altitudes via A-10s, but I doubt that would be in the picture as you would have to first take out all their SAM batteries. I'm sure that will be part of the overall Plan, but in order to deploy anything more than high-altitutde bombing or cruise missiles, you would need squadrons of anti-SAM taskers, fighter and total air support (think total air superiority with E-3, etc.) That's an awful lot of hardware in the sky.
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Re: "They're about taking out the entire Iranian military"
« Reply #20 on: September 04, 2007, 11:59:50 AM »
Silo-destroyers (e.g. "bunker busters") and heavier ordnance must be dropped from C-130s or B-52s, so that is a hassle. Can't remember whether the B-1 was fitted for this task as well. Does anyone else know?

Both the B-1B and the B-2 are equipped for dropping "bunker busters." I know there are already a large number of B-1Bs and B-2s in the Middle East - the former are being used in Afghanistan and the latter in Iraq.
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« Reply #21 on: September 04, 2007, 01:06:55 PM »
Well,that, thern, does indeed make things a mite easier, if the ordannce is available. I'm surprised the B2s are deployed that far forward, but...

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Re: "They're about taking out the entire Iranian military"
« Reply #22 on: September 04, 2007, 01:35:52 PM »
Well,that, thern, does indeed make things a mite easier, if the ordannce is available. I'm surprised the B2s are deployed that far forward, but...

Well, they're actually staging from Diego... But with an operational range on those birds of over 6,000 mi, they're well within range.
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Re: "They're about taking out the entire Iranian military"
« Reply #23 on: September 04, 2007, 01:38:48 PM »
Well,that, thern, does indeed make things a mite easier, if the ordannce is available. I'm surprised the B2s are deployed that far forward, but...

Well, they're actually staging from Diego... But with an operational range on those birds of over 6,000 mi, they're well within range.

Oh, okay. That makes more sense. Iraq is too HOT for birds like these. Thanks for the info.

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Re: "They're about taking out the entire Iranian military"
« Reply #24 on: September 04, 2007, 05:58:32 PM »
mr perceptive, looks like this may actually happen
iran without a military would be such a nice reality



BERN, Switzerland.
Sept. 3, 2007

After a brief interruption of his New Hampshire vacation to meet President Bush in the family compound at Kenebunkport, Maine, French President Nicolas Sarkozy came away convinced his U.S. counterpart is serious about bombing Iran's secret nuclear facilities. That's the reading as it filtered back to Europe's foreign ministries:

Addressing the annual meeting of France's ambassadors to 188 countries, Mr. Sarkozy said either Iran lives up to its international obligations and relinquishes its nuclear ambitions ? or it will be bombed into compliance. Mr. Sarkozy also made it clear he did not agree with the Iranian-bomb-or-bombing-of-Iran position, which reflects the pledge of Mr. Bush to his loyalists, endorsed by Republican presidential candidate Sen. John McCain of Arizona and Sen. Joe Lieberman, Connecticut Independent. But Mr. Sarkozy recognized unless Iran's theocrats stop enriching uranium to weapons-grade levels under inspection by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), we will all be "faced with an alternative that I call catastrophic."

A ranking Swiss official privately said, "Anyone with a modicum of experience in the Middle East knows that any bombing of Iran would touch off at the very least regional instability and what could be an unmitigated disaster for Western interests."

Leaks about the administration's plan to brand Iran's 125,000-strong Revolutionary Guards a global terrorist organization is widely interpreted as a major step on the escalator to military action. Belatedly, Saudi Arabia, the world's largest oil producer, has signed a contract with Lockheed Martin for the training of 35,000 elite guards to be assigned to protect the kingdom's widely scattered oil installations. With 25 percent of the world's oil reserves, Riyadh has earmarked $5 billion to train and field as soon as possible a high-tech force. Eighteen months ago, the desert kingdom was jolted by an al Qaeda terrorist squad that managed to penetrate the first two layers of defenses at Abqaiq, the nerve center of the entire oil infrastructure.

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has now stated publicly his country holds the key to the conditions of a U.S. withdrawal from Iraq. Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki of Iraq, much criticized by the United States for his lack of leadership, and who has been deserted by half his Cabinet, is much praised in Tehran, where he has gone twice in 11 months to confer with Iranian leaders. Mr. Ahmadinejad also says Iran is ready to fill the power vacuum in Iraq following a U.S. withdrawal. "The political power of the occupiers is collapsing rapidly," he said, "and soon we will see a huge power vacuum in the region."

The United States is not alone in trying to prove Mr. Ahmadinejad's geopolitical weather forecast wrong. Saudi Arabia and its five Gulf Cooperation Council allies in the Gulf, Egypt and Jordan, are terrified at the idea of Iraq falling under Iranian domination.

Hoping to head off a U.S.-Iran military confrontation, European countries are still pinning their hopes on major Iranian concessions at the International Atomic Energy Commission in Vienna. Iran is back to cooperating with IAEA ? but only one comma or semicolon at a time. The three European Union countries acting as U.S. surrogates on nuclear matters with Iran, and IAEA chief Mohamed ElBaradei, detect progress where the U.S. sees only stalling. Iran is still resisting short-notice inspections of sites that are not officially declared nuclear facilities, and where secret nuclear work is believed to be taking place.

Tehran's only objective at the IAEA and the U.N. Security Council is to head off further economic sanctions from its major EU trading partners. Thus the mantra that its only interest in nuclear matters is as an alternative source of energy in a country already awash in oil taxes credulity.

Both the Bush administration and Israel are painstakingly fashioning a casus belli with Iran. For Israel, the training and weapons support Iran furnishes Hezbollah in Lebanon (now with more rockets of all kinds than it had before the 2006 war when it fired 4,000 into Israel) and Hamas in Gaza (now equipped with Katyusha rockets and a range of 10.6 miles), coupled with Mr. Ahmadinejad's existential threats against the Jewish state, are sufficient evidence to justify air attacks against Iran's nuclear facilities. And for the White House, there is daily evidence of Iran's Revolutionary Guards meddling in Iraq, from improved explosive devices made in Iran to behind-the-scenes dominance in the affairs of the oil-rich south.

Arnaud de Borchgrave is editor at large of The Washington Times and of United Press

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Re: "They're about taking out the entire Iranian military"
« Reply #25 on: September 04, 2007, 06:02:56 PM »
I find this silly beyond belief.

Iran's military has done no harm to any of you clowns, and threatens you not at all.

This isn't going to happen.
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« Reply #26 on: September 04, 2007, 06:05:28 PM »
>>Iran's military has done no harm to any of you clowns, and threatens you not at all.<<

Oh come on. You must be joking. It's no secret what Iran has been doing in Iraq.

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« Reply #27 on: September 04, 2007, 06:13:43 PM »
It's no secret what the US has been doing in Iraq, either.

I suggest that Iran has a greater stake in a stable and friendly Iraq than the US. It's not like Iran is likely to move to another neighborhood.

The US, however, will eventually depart Iraq. It is inevitable.

But the fact remains that Iran is not capable nor desirous of harming YOU in any way whatever. So your warlike claptrap is illogical and makes no sense.

Face it: this isn't going to happen, because not even Juniorbush is so utterly stupid.

Why don't you plot to avenge Viet Nam for embarrassing the US?
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Re: "They're about taking out the entire Iranian military"
« Reply #28 on: September 04, 2007, 06:55:55 PM »

But the fact remains that Iran is not capable....---... of harming YOU in any way whatever.


True , so what was your point?

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"... nor desirous ..."

Tha is very debateable , they are very likely responsible for the deaths of hundreds of Americans over the years and dozens recently , this is not a serious warlike treat , but it may be worthwile to swat the annoyance.

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« Reply #29 on: September 04, 2007, 07:02:46 PM »
If Iran did anything to harm any Americans, said Americans were not in the US, but invading Iraq. They knew the job was dangerous when they took it.

There is no reason for the US -or anyone- to pick fights with those who have done us no harm. Richypoo and that Perceptive goon like to strut about pretending to be macho, and that would be okay if they were into paintball games or World of Warcraft. Not in the real world, though.

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