If we change the law re: Geneva Conventions

[Lanya]

 "Whatever comes out of a compromise, it does seem to be an effort to redefine the Geneva Conventions because otherwise, why are you doing this?  You don't need to redefine the Geneva Conventions - you don't have to do anything with it.  It's a treaty.  We're a signatory.  We've never had to do this before.  We've gotten along just fine, as has the world, with the language of the Geneva Convention. If we make any effort at all to try to redefine it or tweak it or to amplify it, the world will see that as our effort to lawyer the Geneva Convention to try to create some type of loophole or excuse for conduct."
-----------------Jonathan Turley

http://scoop.epluribusmedia.org/story/2006/9/19/21915/3623

[R.R.]

The Democrats have become irrelevant as a party.

If you notice, the debate is now between McCain, Graham, Warner vs. Bush, Cheney and Gonzales.

Dems are nowhere to be found in this debate.

They are so worried about being labled "soft on defense" that they don't even speak up anymore.

[Plane]

"...If we make any effort at all to try to redefine it or tweak it or to amplify it, the world will see that as our effort to lawyer the Geneva Convention to try to create some type of loophole or excuse for conduct."


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So in passages in which the treaty is deliberately vague , we shall enforce it vaguely?

[Lanya]

It has stood the test of time and several wars for 50+ yeasrs.  It's a treaty. We are a signatory. It is simply not that vague. If you want to torture people, I think you'll find our friends and allies in Uzbekistan where I believe they boil people alive.  And what if our soldiers are tortured because their countries "tweaked" the law and made it so they didn't have to follow the Geneva Conventions?  That is the real problem.   It's OK for us to do it to them, according to you, but if our soldiers were tortured...what would you say?

"Well, they volunteered" ?  We must do what we think is RIGHT.  Other countries may set the bar low. We do not go that route. Not because of milquetoast character...quite the contrary. Because of strength and ideals, becauase that's the only thing that holds us together as a nation.  Our ideals.  Once we've lost them, we're done.