Palestinians: Aggressors, Not Victims

[sirs]

Point thus conceded, case closed.

Hard to concede a point I was never trying to make, eh?

Let me put it in simple terms you might understand.  You said there was no land called Palestine.

Ahh, again with the intellectually challenged swipe.  3times now, and yet I'll continue to refrain from lowering to your level.  One last time, I clearly referenced with the follow-ups regarding LAND as some recognized governing piece of property, akin to any other land called...ohh, Los Angeles, Delaware, Canada, Syria, etc.  As I said, you took it on your self to establish my parameters, and when you were called on it, kept perseverating on a point I never made.  No one is denying there aren't Palestinians, or that there was some "mandate" on paper how there should have been.  POINT being, there was NOT.  There is & was NO Palestine, in the manner of speaking that I've been consistently referring to.  Which of course now BOTH you and Tee have conceded is the case

[Xavier_Onassis]

There has been a Palestine and a people called first Philistines, and then Palestinians, for over two thousand years. It is likely that Palestine was never self-governing, or ruled by a Palestinian. But that does not mean that the poeple called Palestinians are not therefore entited to want or have their own country.

[sirs]

And even though Xo now also concedes that there is & was no Governing bordered modern day land called Palestine, no one is claiming they shouldn't have their country.  One wonders why their Arab brethren didn't take any initiative over the last 1000+years help bring that about?  One doesn't have to wonder much however why they (their Arab brethren) are working so hard to imply that "Palestine" rightfully exists pretty much where Israel currently is located

[Michael Tee]

<<And even though Xo now also concedes that there is & was no Governing bordered modern day land called Palestine, no one is claiming they shouldn't have their country.  One wonders why their Arab brethren didn't take any initiative over the last 1000+years help bring that about? >>

Huh?  For about 90% of the last 1000+ years, their Arab brethren didn't have their own country either.  They had tribes, the tribes had a poorly-defined territory to protect against encroachers, and they constantly raided one another.  It was a form of social organization that worked for them.  Nation-states and national wars was a form of social organization that worked for the Europeans.  Then they had a Caliphate which some of them want to restore and then they were a part of the Ottoman Empire until 1918.

 <<One doesn't have to wonder much however why they (their Arab brethren) are working so hard to imply that "Palestine" rightfully exists pretty much where Israel currently is located>>

Well, if you were following the census figures posted in this thread, it's because that is where most of the people now calling themselve "Palestinians" or their grandparents and great-grandparents were living until 1948, when the Zionists declared a Jewish state there and drove them off that land.

[Richpo64]

>> But that does not mean that the poeple called Palestinians are not therefore entited to want or have their own country.<<

Which country would that be? I mean, since you admit there has never been a "Palestine"? They do have a country actually. It's called Jordon. But since these murdering animals attempted to do to Jordon what they're doing to Israel (Jordon crushed them like flies, which is what Israel should do), Jordon won't have them. I think some nice blue State should find room for them. California has room, and they'd like the climate.

[Michael Tee]

<<Which country would that be?>>

The land they're living on now would be a good start.  Most people want a homeland where they live.  That's what it means when they say, "master in their own home."

<< I mean, since you admit there has never been a "Palestine"? >>

If they want a country called Palestine, why can't they have one?  Why can't they call it whatever they like as long as there isn't another country currently using the same name?

<<They do have a country actually. It's called Jordon. >>

That's funny, cuz they never lived there.  They lived on the West Bank where they are now, or they lived in Israel, which they were driven out of, but none of them lived in Jordan.  The ones who were born in Jordan are already Jordanians, not Palestinians.

<<But since these murdering animals attempted to do to Jordon what they're doing to Israel (Jordon crushed them like flies, which is what Israel should do), Jordon won't have them. >>

They're not any more "murdering animals" than the Israelis are.  Less in fact, since the Israelis have killed way more Arabs than Arabs have killed Israelis.   There's no reason in the world for the Jordanians to take in the Palestinians, sacrificing their own land and space to make up for what Israel stole from the Palestinians.  The obvious answer is to kick the Jews out of the West Bank and let the Arabs who live there have it.  They'll get it anyway sooner or later.

<< I think some nice blue State should find room for them. California has room, and they'd like the climate.>>

Since many of the Jewish settlers seem to have come from New York, I think the nice blue state should be New York and it should take in all the Jewish settlers that it sent to the West Bank in the first place.  And don't worry, none of them have given up their U.S. citizenship.  That's the first place they WILL run to when the tide begins to shift.  It's no California, but they'll be so glad to escape the West Bank, they'll put up with it gladly.

[Plane]

Since many of the Jewish settlers seem to have come from New York, I think the nice blue state should be New York and it should take in all the Jewish settlers that it sent to the West Bank in the first place.  And don't worry, none of them have given up their U.S. citizenship.  That's the first place they WILL run to when the tide begins to shift.  It's no California, but they'll be so glad to escape the West Bank, they'll put up with it gladly.

Then they will vote.

How will New Yorks Congressional deligation be affected?

[Michael Tee]

<<Then they [Jewish settlers fleeing the West Bank] will vote.

<<How will New Yorks Congressional deligation be affected?>>

Not much.  They're already in thrall to the Zio-Nazis.  Just ask Dov Hikind.  He makes them and breaks them.

[Richpo64]

>>That's funny, cuz they never lived there.  They lived on the West Bank where they are now, or they lived in Israel, which they were driven out of, but none of them lived in Jordan.<<

Mike, you obviously haven't been reading your history. As I've said before, by 1923 there were 400,000 Jews living in what you call Palestine, specifically what is now known as Israel. When Israel was formed, the whole idea was any Arab who wanted to leave Israel could simply cross the Jordon River into Jordon. A lot of them did. Some of those were the terrorist type and were either kicked out or exterminated by the Jordanian governement. When the War of Independence started, these Arabs were encouraged to go back to "Palestine" because Israel was sure to lose the war. But of course they didn't lose the war, and Jordon wouldn't allow these people back into Jordon which created the political refugee problem we have today.

>>The ones who were born in Jordan are already Jordanians, not Palestinians.<<


We've already established that there cannot be Palestinians because there has never been a Palestine.

>>They're not any more "murdering animals" than the Israelis are.<<


Of course they are. All we have to do is look at their actions. They target women and children. They target civilians. They use their own women and children as human shields and as human bombs. That to me is a murdering animal.

>>Less in fact, since the Israelis have killed way more Arabs than Arabs have killed Israelis.<<


When you're being attacked the the idea. Kill more of them than they kill of you. Good for Israel.

>>There's no reason in the world for the Jordanians to take in the Palestinians, sacrificing their own land and space to make up for what Israel stole from the Palestinians.<<


Once again, they couldn't steal land that was theirs in the first place. And again, Jordon was created for Arabs to live in after Trans Jordon was divided to form Israel and Jordon.

>>The obvious answer is to kick the Jews out of the West Bank and let the Arabs who live there have it.  They'll get it anyway sooner or later.<<


Arabs haven't been able to remove the Jews for 60 years, what makes you think a bunch of people who can't run an electric plant can take down the Israelis? As for the West Bank, Israel has tried to give the Arabs 95 percent of what they wanted, but they refused. They're not really interested in a settlement, they want to kill Jews, that's all they want. Once they kill all the Jews, they'll go back to killing each other.

>>Since many of the Jewish settlers seem to have come from New York, I think the nice blue state should be New York and it should take in all the Jewish settlers that it sent to the West Bank in the first place.<<


Huh? Actually most of them have come From Europe, many from Africa, and from all over the Middle East. Without running the numbers I'd say only a small percentage have come from America. Anyway, New York is a fine blue State. A perfect place for "Palestinians" to mix with the people who support them. I imagine when the first bomb goes off, some minds will be changed.

[sirs]

There's no reason in the world for the Jordanians to take in the Palestinians, sacrificing their own land and space to make up for what Israel stole from the Palestinians.  The obvious answer is to kick the Jews out of the West Bank and let the Arabs who live there have it.  They'll get it anyway sooner or later.

See Miss Henny?  This is the mindset that compliments that of Hamas & Co that makes the children of Isrealis' & Palestinians' work of trying to bring about peaceful co-existance, virtually impossible   

[Michael Tee]

<<See Miss Henny?  This is the mindset that compliments that of Hamas & Co that makes the children of Isrealis' & Palestinians' work of trying to bring about peaceful co-existance, virtually impossible >>

The "peaceful coexistence" that most sane and normal people have in mind is that between Israel within its pre-1967 borders and a Palestinian state consisting of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip - - which is not gonna happen with 270,000 recently-arrived Jewish settlers enjoying West Bank land recently stolen from its Arab owners.

[Xavier_Onassis]

We've already established that there cannot be Palestinians because there has never been a Palestine.

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So there cannot be any Kurds, because there has never been a Kurdistan.


There were no Jews for 2,000 years because there was no Judeah.

I think what has been established is that you a propaganda-spouting Zionist sympathizer. No one believe this crap.

[sirs]

<<See Miss Henny?  This is the mindset that compliments that of Hamas & Co that makes the children of Isrealis' & Palestinians' work of trying to bring about peaceful co-existance, virtually impossible >>

The "peaceful coexistence" that most sane and normal people have in mind is that between Israel within its pre-1967 borders and a Palestinian state consisting of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip - - which is not gonna happen with 270,000 recently-arrived Jewish settlers enjoying West Bank land recently stolen from its Arab owners.

Let's even pretend that your selected distortion of facts is so, the mindset I was referencing "The obvious answer is to kick the Jews out of the West Bank and let the Arabs who live there have it." is precisely the kind of mindset that will PREVENT any form of peaceful resolution, regardless how hard the Isreali & Palestinian children work

[Richpo64]

>>So there cannot be any Kurds, because there has never been a Kurdistan.<<

You've got a point there XO. So let's say that there have never been citizens of a country called Palestine.

>>There were no Jews for 2,000 years because there was no Judeah.<<

Jews are described as members of the Jewish religion. Since they were still members during that 2000 years, they were still Jews.

>>I think what has been established is that you a propaganda-spouting Zionist sympathizer. No one believe this crap.<<

And you are of course are an anti Semitic Nazi terrorist sympathizer who everyone despises. As for believing what I'm saying, I realize the truth is like holy water to vampires for you people.

[Michael Tee]

<<Let's even pretend that your selected distortion of facts is so, the mindset I was referencing "The obvious answer is to kick the Jews out of the West Bank and let the Arabs who live there have it."  is precisely the kind of mindset that will PREVENT any form of peaceful resolution, regardless how hard the Isreali & Palestinian children work>>

Gee, that's really too bad.  I was kinda hoping for a peaceful resolution, the kind where the Jews get the West Bank AND Israel and the Arabs all get to fuck themselves up the ass with rusty rebars and a big warm thank-you from Rich and his Zio-Nazi pals.  It certainly will be hard to see all that hard work of the children ignored by the political leaders of Israel and Palestine, instead of being enacted into state policy as everyone really expected it to be.