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Stocks tumble worldwide on fears of U.S. recession
« on: January 22, 2008, 03:47:29 AM »
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Stocks tumble worldwide on fears of U.S. recession
Volatile day forecast for Wall Street traders

By William Sluis

Tribune reporter

11:49 PM CST, January 21, 2008

A sell-off in global stock markets on a day when Wall Street was taking a respite, celebrating Martin Luther King Jr. Day, sent a chill through investors anticipating that Tuesday may bring a chaotic start to trading when U.S. markets reopen.

In a grim portent, futures on the Dow Jones industrial average were off by as much as 500 points. The Dow has fallen by more than 2,000 points, or about 14 percent, from its peak reached in October.

"We could have a messy opening," said Chicago economist Carl Tannenbaum, who said the wave of overseas pessimism seen Monday is hard to explain. "Much of the blame was placed on recession fears, but those fears have been expressed many times in recent weeks."

There was no particular trigger to Monday's huge sell-off, he said. But other analysts said the biggest factor is a new wave of pessimism about the global banking sector.

While others were eager to blame a $145 billion tax-stimulus plan offered by President Bush late last week, Tannenbaum said, "It's easy to take a negative view of the proposal, but many people have been positive about it."

The downbeat mood began in Asia and spread to Europe, leaving no major market unscathed.

In many cases, the sell-offs were stunning. Britain's benchmark FTSE-100 slumped 5.5 percent; France's CAC-40 index tumbled 6.8 percent; and Germany's blue-chip DAX 30 plunged 7.2 percent.

In Asia, India's benchmark stock index tumbled 7.4 percent, while Hong Kong's blue-chip Hang Seng index plummeted 5.5 percent, its biggest percentage drop since the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks.

"It's another horrible day," said Francis Lun, a general manager at Fulbright Securities in Hong Kong. "Today it's because of disappointment that the U.S. stimulus package is too little, too late, and investors feel it won't help the economy recover."

Canadian stocks fell as well, with the S&P/TSX composite index on the Toronto Stock Exchange losing 4.7 percent. In Brazil, stocks plunged 6.6 percent on Sao Paulo's Bovespa exchange.

Stocks lost value in 42 of the 43 nations with widely followed markets; the only exception was Sri Lanka.

The losses continued early Tuesday in Asia. Japan's Nikkei 225 average was down 4.4 percent in the morning session, and the Hang Seng was off 5 percent.

Economist Brian Wesbury said part of the problem Monday stemmed from a major downgrade of a firm that insures municipal debts. When such debt is marked lower, banks are forced to write it down against their capital.

"This affects the ability of banks to lend, and it helped to create an overreaction among investors overseas," said Wesbury, of First Trust Advisors in Lisle.

"There is an incredible amount of fear in the world," he added, even though most economies remain robust. The fears are based in part, Wesbury said, on worries that so-called derivative instruments could default.

Derivatives are contracts and options traded on interest rates, currencies and debts. At stake are trillions of dollars in assets.

Wesbury said he believes such fears are overblown, but they have become widespread. American consumers have continued to spend at a moderate rate of growth, he said, and the job market remains strong.

Comments about the possibility of a recession by President Bush and Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke, he said, "may have helped to incite anxiety, even though we have a very sturdy and resilient economy."

Their comments were intended to soothe global fears but may not have succeeded, Wesbury said.

'Blood on the wall'
All market watchers could do was survey the damage.

"It was all about blood on the wall," said Georges Ugeux, chairman of Galileo Global Advisors, who was visiting the Indian stock exchange, which fell by the equivalent of a 900-point drop in the Dow average. "For them, this is a black Monday."

Analysts said fears about debts are driven by massive losses on loans made to U.S. home buyers. These potentially could cascade through the world financial system.

For example, the Bank of China is now forecast to record a multibillion-dollar loss on U.S. mortgage investments. The bank may write down $2.4 billion for the fourth quarter of 2007 and an equal amount for this year, wrote Dorris Chen, a Shanghai-based analyst at BNP Paribas.

"Bank of China is in a worse situation than expected," said Zheng Tuo, who manages the equivalent of $790 million at Bank of Communications Schroders Fund Management Co. in Shanghai. "Investors are worried the woe will spill over to the whole banking sector."

Analysts said this year's opening on Wall Street has been the worst since the late 1970s.

On Monday, "there was also a problem with another German bank, WestLB, which said it would report a loss of $1.4 billion in 2007 because of its exposure to deteriorating mortgage assets. Other German banks are also reporting worse than expected results," said investment manager Peter Cohan, based in Marlborough, Mass..

"If today's futures are any indication, the Dow Jones industrial average will lose 520 points, or more than 4 percent, when it opens Tuesday morning," he added.

Consumer confidence has been slipping in many European countries as inflation has begun making a comeback in recent months.

Dollar gains
While stocks in the United States may see a rocky opening on Tuesday, "they could steady before the end of the day," Tannenbaum said. "Our markets often act as a firebreak against heavy selling in other parts of the world."

Indeed, the dollar gained Monday against the euro, as oil prices and gold fell on the fears of a global slowdown.

Wesbury said the losses in the Dow Jones industrials since October are about equal to the setback suffered during a single day in the widely trumpeted Black Monday crash of 1987.

"Even though everyone thought we would see a recession in 1987, it just didn't happen," he said.

Over the following year, stock prices recovered rapidly, and the economy kept growing.

wsluis@tribune.com

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Re: Stocks tumble worldwide on fears of U.S. recession
« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2008, 04:12:37 AM »
While stocks in the United States may see a rocky opening on Tuesday, "they could steady before the end of the day," Tannenbaum said. "Our markets often act as a firebreak against heavy selling in other parts of the world."



I really really hope this is what happens.
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Re: Stocks tumble worldwide on fears of U.S. recession
« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2008, 10:27:28 AM »
Tax the rich, feed the poor
Till there are no rich no more

ten years after

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Re: Stocks tumble worldwide on fears of U.S. recession
« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2008, 11:47:11 AM »
Yep....the left sure loves to ignore how it's "the rich" supplying the bulk of the jobs and paying the vast majority of taxes that run the country (kinda includes all those programs that help "the poor" as well)  But who needs them, right?      :-\
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Re: Stocks tumble worldwide on fears of U.S. recession
« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2008, 12:49:47 PM »
This makes me very thankful the people of this country, for once, saw through the Preznit's Plan to Save Social Security by putting all the money in the hands of the stock market.
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Re: Stocks tumble worldwide on fears of U.S. recession
« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2008, 01:07:48 PM »
Funny how the diabolical plan was
A) optional
B) a mere fraction was going to be allowed to be used of one's SS "nest", & in no way close to "all"
C) is still going to provide likely double the return over the long haul than it would under the current bankrupting train wreck
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Re: Stocks tumble worldwide on fears of U.S. recession
« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2008, 03:17:45 AM »
This makes me very thankful the people of this country, for once, saw through the Preznit's Plan to Save Social Security by putting all the money in the hands of the stock market.

I hope you live long enough to know better.

All of our Social Security egggs were put into one basket , then made into omletts while the basket was refilled with IOUs for chicken feed.

Can you speculate what will happen to Social security in the third year of doubble digit unemployment ?
Can you imagine the first year that those treasury bonds are demanded?

It is possible that Social Scurity will collapse in a decade or less , and unlike the stock market , it cannot rebuild itself.

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Re: Stocks tumble worldwide on fears of U.S. recession
« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2008, 03:43:35 AM »

Asian Markets Rebound on Fed Rate Cut
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TOKYO (AP) - Most Asian markets rebounded Wednesday, reversing their recent gut-wrenching plunge as investors welcomed a hefty, surprise interest rate cut overnight by the U.S. Federal Reserve to shore up the sagging American economy.

But analysts said volatile swings were expected to linger for some time because the Fed's quick action, at an emergency meeting, was seen by some as a sign American authorities view the U.S. credit crunch as a very serious problem.

"The Fed's action provided a very positive surprise," said Tsuyoshi Segawa, strategist at Shinko Securities Co. in Tokyo. "But people are also starting to think that things may be so bad they needed to act."

As the day progressed, many Asian markets trimmed their initial, robust gains, and some even dropped into negative territory.

Japan's Nikkei 225 index was up 1.7 percent in afternoon trading after jumping 3.4 percent earlier, recouping some of its 9.3 percent loss the last two days. Australia's benchmark index rebounded 4.4 percent, snapping a 12-day losing streak.

In Hong Kong, the Hang Seng index - which had plummeted 13.6 percent the last two days - surged 7.5 percent at the opening before trimming gains to be up 5.3 percent by midday.

India's Sensex index jumped 4.6 percent at the opening before slipping back slightly.

Stocks in Singapore and Thailand, meanwhile, were down modestly.

Fears of a U.S. recession, which would likely erode demand for Asian exports, has battered the region's markets since the start of the year. The sell-offs accelerated Monday and Tuesday amid skepticism that a stimulus package announced by President Bush on Friday wouldn't do much to support growth.

Jolted by worries of a global recession, the Fed on Tuesday slashed its federal funds rate three-quarters of a percentage point to 3.5 percent, the biggest reduction in this target rate for overnight loans on records going back to 1990. It also was the first time the Fed has changed rates between meetings since 2001.

On Wall Street Tuesday, the Dow Jones industrial average plunged more than 450 points initially but recouped most of its losses as the day progressed to close at 11,971.19, down 128.11 points, or 1.1 percent.

U.S. stock index futures showed that Wall Street was poised for another drop Wednesday. Dow futures were down 86 points, or 0.7 percent, to 11,865. Standard & Poor's 500 futures were down 12.8 points, or 1 percent, to 1,296.5.

In Hong Kong, where the benchmark index had plunged 22 percent since the start of the year, investors took heart from the U.S. rate cut and snapped up stocks that had fallen to attractive levels.

Francis Lun, a general manager at Fulbright Securities, estimated that the Hong Kong market had been oversold by about 15 percent.

"It's time to recover, but investors still need to be cautious because the fluctuation now is too big," he said.

The Fed's move also helped lift the dollar, which rose to 106.90 yen late morning in Tokyo, up from 106.48 yen late Tuesday in New York - another bit of good news for Japanese exporters, whose earnings are helped by a stronger dollar.

Still, analysts warned that lower interest rates won't fix bad credit problems - and usually take several months to have an effect on an economy.

"We consider the Fed's rate cut still insufficient for the global financial markets to completely recover and help the Japanese stocks to fully rebound," Credit Suisse chief strategist Shinichi Ichikawa said.

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« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2008, 03:46:07 AM »
 Most Asian markets rebounded Wednesday, reversing their recent gut-wrenching plunge as investors welcomed a hefty, surprise interest rate cut overnight by the U.S. Federal Reserve to shore up the sagging American economy.



Produces an illusion that the US government can steer ths sled.