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« on: January 22, 2008, 11:34:39 PM »
Study: False statements preceded war
By DOUGLASS K. DANIEL, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - A study by two nonprofit journalism organizations found that President Bush and top administration officials issued hundreds of false statements about the national security threat from Iraq in the two years following the 2001 terrorist attacks.
 
The study concluded that the statements "were part of an orchestrated campaign that effectively galvanized public opinion and, in the process, led the nation to war under decidedly false pretenses."

The study was posted Tuesday on the Web site of the Center for Public Integrity, which worked with the Fund for Independence in Journalism.

White House spokesman Scott Stanzel did not comment on the merits of the study Tuesday night but reiterated the administration's position that the world community viewed Iraq's leader, Saddam Hussein, as a threat.

"The actions taken in 2003 were based on the collective judgment of intelligence agencies around the world," Stanzel said.

The study counted 935 false statements in the two-year period. It found that in speeches, briefings, interviews and other venues, Bush and administration officials stated unequivocally on at least 532 occasions that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction or was trying to produce or obtain them or had links to al-Qaida or both.

"It is now beyond dispute that Iraq did not possess any weapons of mass destruction or have meaningful ties to al-Qaida," according to Charles Lewis and Mark Reading-Smith of the Fund for Independence in Journalism staff members, writing an overview of the study. "In short, the Bush administration led the nation to war on the basis of erroneous information that it methodically propagated and that culminated in military action against Iraq on March 19, 2003."

Named in the study along with Bush were top officials of the administration during the period studied: Vice President Dick Cheney, national security adviser Condoleezza Rice, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, Secretary of State Colin Powell, Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz and White House press secretaries Ari Fleischer and Scott McClellan.

Bush led with 259 false statements, 231 about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and 28 about Iraq's links to al-Qaida, the study found. That was second only to Powell's 244 false statements about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and 10 about Iraq and al-Qaida.

The center said the study was based on a database created with public statements over the two years beginning on Sept. 11, 2001, and information from more than 25 government reports, books, articles, speeches and interviews.

"The cumulative effect of these false statements ? amplified by thousands of news stories and broadcasts ? was massive, with the media coverage creating an almost impenetrable din for several critical months in the run-up to war," the study concluded.

"Some journalists ? indeed, even some entire news organizations ? have since acknowledged that their coverage during those prewar months was far too deferential and uncritical. These mea culpas notwithstanding, much of the wall-to-wall media coverage provided additional, 'independent' validation of the Bush administration's false statements about Iraq," it said.

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« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2008, 12:44:26 AM »
Why did Saddam find these charges so hard to deny?

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« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2008, 12:46:37 AM »
When I said, "They lied us into war," I got funny looks  or  was told I must hate Bush.


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« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2008, 09:15:21 AM »
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Why did Saddam find these charges so hard to deny?

Why has the Bush administration found it impossible to prove them?
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« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2008, 09:34:51 AM »
<<Why did Saddam find these charges so hard to deny?>>

The real question is, Why was the Bush administration so eager to make them so often with so little proof?

The other real question is, How is it possible they really didn't know the truth? 

Even I knew the truth, it was just ludicrous to believe that Saddam would either attack the U.S. with WMD, or even crazier, hand off the WMD to others to make the attack, thereby mortgaging his and his country's continued existence to a bunch of crazed religious fanatics who hated his secular guts and just sit there with his fingers crossed hoping none of them would spill the beans.  You're gonna tell me Bush and Cheney sincerely believed that shit? 

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« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2008, 10:01:14 AM »
WHo wants to bet Soros contributes to one or both of these non profits?

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« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2008, 10:06:12 AM »
Good for him, if he does.  Somebody's got to get the truth out, and it sure as hell ain't gonna be the MSM.

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« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2008, 10:12:47 AM »
Kinda like the Soros funded Lancet report?

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« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2008, 10:48:33 AM »
Kinda like the Soros funded Lancet report?

Why do you love lies so? They must be great fun to tell & defend, huh?

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« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2008, 10:58:59 AM »
<<Kinda like the Soros funded Lancet report?>>

Never mind the Lancet report.  It was done by reputable statisticians and it's one view of the situation, possibly the only correct one.

Wanna get back on topic?

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« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2008, 11:08:03 AM »
Sure the topic is "independent" organizations report that Bush Lied, People Died.

What else is new?

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« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2008, 12:44:16 PM »
ANYTHING but debate the report on its merits, right?  Gotcha.

Oh and BTW, out of pure curiosity, I have to ask: just what news sources do you regard as "independent organizations?"  Curious minds need to know.

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« Reply #12 on: January 23, 2008, 12:53:20 PM »
The report confuses lies with getting it wrong.

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« Reply #13 on: January 23, 2008, 12:57:36 PM »
Seems to me the organizations, independent or otherwise, are reporting accurately - there were no WMD's, no ties to Al Qaeda, no mobile chemical factories, blahblahblah. Their case that the administration made their case based on incorrect information stands up a hell of a lot better than the administration's claim that we needed to pre-emptively invade Iraq. And I still haven't seen anyone show me where the administration told the truth about those claims in their rush to war.
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« Reply #14 on: January 23, 2008, 01:07:01 PM »
<<The report confuses lies with getting it wrong.>>

Really?  To get THAT story so wrong for so long, never questioning, never probing beneath any surfaces except in the case of reports that DON'T find evidence of WMD, that's a special kind of "getting it wrong," that's an obvious case of somebody who's made up his mind to do something and is looking for justification, not facts. 

In a nutshell, I've got more faith in Bush and Cheney than you do.  You're so eager to accept that they made "mistakes" about WMD - - "mistakes" that lasted for over two years, that happened despite proof that some of the supporting material had been forged, and despite the fact that France, Russia, Germany, China and Canada were all unconvinced of the need to invade.  I just don't believe they were THAT stupid.  I question the judgment of anyone who does.  I can't think of a single mid-level manager who could keep his job after a mistake of that magnitude.  NOBODY accepts stupidity like that in jobs much less critical than the President and VP of a country.  That was not stupidity, that was lying.