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Al Qaeda Plans Nuke Attack On US
« on: February 08, 2008, 03:02:03 PM »
Is Al Qaeda Capable of Attacking the US?
Its Plans to Attack America are Active and Nuclear
 
The information that al Qaeda is pressing ahead with its plans to attack the United States comes from three sources.

One was mentioned by the US intelligence director Mike McConnel this week, when he said: It [al Qaeda] probably will continue to devote some effort towards honoring bin Laden?s request in 2005 that al Qaeda attempt to strike the United States, affirmed publicly by current al Qaeda leader Abu Ayyub al-Masri in a November 2006 threat against the White House.?

Then there are the high-value al Qaeda captives in American custody, who over the years have insisted under interrogation that a repeat of 9/11 and additional attacks in the American homeland have never been taken off the terrorist organization's operational agenda.

But no hard facts were ever elicited on how such attacks were to be implemented. Any particulars received turned out to be incorrect.

The third source is the multifarious theological texts published on the organizations websites.

These texts, which are not in general circulation, appear aimed at briefing network and cell commanders across the world on al Qaeda?s preparations for an attack on the United States.

The credibility of the information contained in these tracts is hard to establish  as is their purpose. Are they meant as morale-boosters for al Qaeda forces in the field, general guidelines for action by the networks, or a real-life plan of action building up toward implementation? No one can tell for sure.

Some al Qaeda experts have learned how to distinguish from their style, their operational content, names, places or dates, which of these documents are worth treating more seriously than others, with respect to the threat to the United States.

Al Qaeda's masterminds have never been caught red-handed
 
Counter-terror sources report that the most recent Internet text to be regarded by these experts as worth serious consideration is dated the night of the 25th of the second month of the Hijra year 1428, which corresponds to May 13, 2007.

It is signed by Abdul Abu Kandahar al Zarqawi [named for al Qaeda?s commander in Iraq] and Siyalon bin Abdullah a-Salafi al-Shemi [for the Nations of the East].

Both are clearly made-up names, but the al Qaeda chiefs whom the operational content of the text concerns certainly know who is addressing them.

A number of points have convinced our intelligence experts to address its content:

The writers affirm that the orders to attack the United States have already gone out and the attackers have reached their departure points - whether or not inside America is not specified and await their last instructions from Osama bin Laden before setting out on their final journey.

That instruction has not yet been issued [as of May, 2007].

Many terror experts note that al Qaeda has never since 2001 been able to bring off an attack inside America. Our sources point out a permanent feature of all al Qaeda operations: One is never approved unless its planners are absolutely certain that, whether it succeeds or fails, no leads to the masterminds and controllers will be left for Western intelligence to follow, and no clues to the military, intelligence and financial mechanisms which orchestrated the attack and brought the perpetrators to target.

In seven years, al Qaeda has managed to uphold this principle. Never so far in the war on terror has any counter-terror agencies cracked these mysteries.

This document states clearly for the first time that the next attack on American cities, especially New York, will be nuclear [not a bomb but some kinds of radioactive substance that contaminates the environment].

This reference ties in with data incoming from other sources in the last two years.

The bombers wait only for Osama bin Laden's say-so

The text also lists the US cities to be targeted, with New York at the top, followed by Los
Angeles, Philadelphia, Washington, Seattle and Houston.


Here follows an approximate summary of the text:

Link to the original

The operations are ready but we are awaiting orders from the Supreme Commander, Osama bin Laden. He will decide when to strike, what to hit and what not, and how long to wait.

We shall pursue the following operations and bring about the fall of the United Atheistic States of America.

A quality attack is planned for the big and the biggest towns of America and its economic centers.

For some of these operations nuclear weapons will be used. It will be executed with the help of trucks which are undetectable. [DNW: A clue to American vehicles driven by terrorists capable of posing as authentic Americans].

The operation will employ ruses and tactics that will astonish the Americans.

Because we already know that you [Americans]) take no notice of our warnings, we will be forced to carry out further operations without mercy, because you have brought destruction on your own heads by refusing a hudna (truce).

[This is a reference to bin Laden?s offer to the Bush administration of a truce in an audiotape released Jan. 20, 2006 - provided US forces quit Iraq and Afghanistan.]

All these blows will land on you [the American people] because of your support for the White House robbers and your concurrence in their deeds.

In the first wave, five cities and one state will be struck.

The first is New York, the United States? economic nerve center where Allah proved for the first time that He is with us. [9/11]

Target: The fall of the United Atheist States to the mujaheddin

The second is Los Angeles, the most important West Coast city of the Atheistic Union.

The third is Florida, from which many funds reach the East Coast [the meaning is unclear] and which is the location of the Kennedy Space Center, which will also be struck.

We will of course not omit Washington.

The fall of the American capital into the hands of the mujaheddin will be one of the most important events of the New Era.

Seattle will be targeted as America's strategic center on the Canadian border; and Texas as the center of the big oil companies in which Bush, Cheney, Rice and Rumsfeld have stakes.

In consequence of these attacks, the American economy will collapse; death and permanent injuries will result from nuclear damage; the American people will lose faith in its government and its centers will break down.

All this will lead to the evacuation of American forces from their places of deployment, because they will be needed to care for the desperately injured at home.

Some may decide not to return to the United States but rather seek asylum in other countries.

US military deployments will rapidly fall apart in their world bases, as officers and men come to blows, regular payments stop reaching the units and fuel supplies are no longer delivered to the army, air force, navy and armored units.

Young Muslims will obey the dictates of Allah, which include the liberation of Muhammad?s Island from the rule of Ali Saud, liberation of the eastern bank of the Jordan River from the American family which rules there and great progress for beloved Palestine.

[source: e-mail]
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Re: Al Qaeda Plans Nuke Attack On US
« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2008, 03:57:31 PM »
but it don`t have to be a nuke
a dirty bomb is cheaper and easier to make
this obsession to use a nuke is slowing thier cause.
there is so many non-expensive creative ways to attack
water supplies
power grids
communications systems
a high death count is not really the best way to do it

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Re: Al Qaeda Plans Nuke Attack On US
« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2008, 04:29:06 PM »
Awww, shit.  Looks like the jig is up for you guys.  Better get into your fallout shelters immediately and don't come up again till you hear the all-clear.  Don't forget your duct tape, OK?

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Re: Al Qaeda Plans Nuke Attack On US
« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2008, 06:10:32 PM »
My own personal view is that Al Qaeda is fulla crap, and likes to scare people.

Just because they could do it once does not mean that they could get away with it twice.

Bombast is a common response of fanatics and terrorists.
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Re: Al Qaeda Plans Nuke Attack On US
« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2008, 06:19:31 PM »
michael are you living in denial that al-Qaeda wants to hit the
United States hard with a nuke or similar dastardly device?

why are you joking about such a serious matter that could involve
thousands of deaths?
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Re: Al Qaeda Plans Nuke Attack On US
« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2008, 06:36:28 PM »
michael are you living in denial that al-Qaeda wants to hit the United States hard with a nuke or similar dastardly device?  why are you joking about such a serious matter that could involve thousands of deaths?

It's likely gonna be an inside job, anyways, facilitated by that evil diabolical Bush.  In the least, if Bush knew it was coming, he'd sit on it, and not do a thing.  I mean, that's just how evil he is 
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Re: Al Qaeda Plans Nuke Attack On US
« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2008, 06:44:06 PM »
I`m pretty sue al-Qaeda really wants to nuke us
it`s the " can they" factor
getting a nuke is expensive
getting people you can trust to verify that it works is expensive
and putting it in the U.S. is just hard to do.

this is the reason why it hasn`t happened so far

note the low tech and low cost way 9-11 happened
think about it
how hard would it be to hook a cleanlooking  college blonde on crack to make her smuggle weapon to the U.S.
remember middle-easterns are being profiled not blond girls

or a unwitting bomber

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Re: Al Qaeda Plans Nuke Attack On US
« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2008, 07:01:35 PM »
I`m pretty sue al-Qaeda really wants to nuke us
it`s the " can they" factor"



I believe that if you look at their track record...you're right here, Kimmie.

Given the chance, you don't think they wouldn't try it. Of course, they would.

Can they? If they had the capability.....we'd find pockets of the country in hell. Trickle down/up effect.....the toxic atmosphere, the fallout, would kill as well....Al Queda's goal? Yep...death at any cost for the sake of their idiot Allah

...Canada is not out of the danger zone, yet, M-tee.


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Re: Al Qaeda Plans Nuke Attack On US
« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2008, 08:03:28 PM »
<<michael are you living in denial that al-Qaeda wants to hit the
United States hard with a nuke or similar dastardly device?

<<why are you joking about such a serious matter that could involve
thousands of deaths?>>

Because they don't have a  hope in hell of doing it and this "threat" (if indeed it is a threat and not some more phoney baloney from the Bush administration) is just laughable bullshit, meant to scare and meant to boost McCain.  McCain in case anyone hasn't realized this to date, is the al Qaeda candidate, not either of the two Democrats.  Al Qaeda is not scared of Bush or McCain, knowing that they (al Qaeda) are more valuable alive than dead to the Republicans, and knowing that Bush's invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan (which McCain vows to continue) are the greatest recruiting tool that al Qaeda could ever hope for. 

So whether the threat came from al Qaeda or Bush's administration, it benefits McCain and that is the al Qaeda candidate.  Either way it is bullshit.
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Re: Al Qaeda Plans Nuke Attack On US
« Reply #9 on: February 08, 2008, 08:16:21 PM »
michael why do you think it is so impossible?

why couldn't they sneek a dirty nuke in via a  shipping container on a ship?

drive it to manhattan in a Tim Veigh Ryder truck and let loose?
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Re: Al Qaeda Plans Nuke Attack On US
« Reply #10 on: February 08, 2008, 08:35:09 PM »
they need  to hi-jack sip to do that and not get caught
and the ship not be noticed gone for the trip to the U.S.
as for the ryder truch
the 1st attack on the trade center was a truck bomb
and they learned from they`re mistake and upgraded to planes
but on matter of nukes
how to get it to the U.S.?
if in parts
you need somebody who can`t make it without getting killed.
making a nuke is not hard ,but making it and not get poisined is another matter
I know how to do it
but not enough to make it work right.
a dirty bomb is the best bet
but dang if I know how to get that much plutonium
and noway is it gonna be cheap



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Re: Al Qaeda Plans Nuke Attack On US
« Reply #11 on: February 08, 2008, 09:22:19 PM »
they need  to hi-jack sip to do that and not get caught
and the ship not be noticed gone for the trip to the U.S.
as for the ryder truch
the 1st attack on the trade center was a truck bomb
and they learned from they`re mistake and upgraded to planes
but on matter of nukes
how to get it to the U.S.?
if in parts
you need somebody who can`t make it without getting killed.
making a nuke is not hard ,but making it and not get poisined is another matter
I know how to do it
but not enough to make it work right.
a dirty bomb is the best bet
but dang if I know how to get that much plutonium
and noway is it gonna be cheap




A dirty bomb need not be made of expensive stuff, highly contaminated waste is expensive to get rid of , not expensive .

So all they realy need is a raid on a forgotten Soviet waste dump , useing people that don't mind being poisoned worse than their victims.
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Re: Al Qaeda Plans Nuke Attack On US
« Reply #12 on: February 08, 2008, 09:38:47 PM »
it`s unlikely they`ll find people who don`t mind
most of the 9-11 high-jackers didn`t know it was a oneway trip.
so it`s abit harder than we think to find people with a deathwish
but finding people easy enough to fool to do anything is another matter.
being exposed to the waste is not a quick death
so its unfortunately doable
come to think of it they can send tons of people to thier death without knowledge how deadly it is.
it doesn`t have to be suicide
the term unwitting lackey
again I`ll refer to 9-11
most of those guys thought it`s a simple high jacking

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« Reply #13 on: February 09, 2008, 12:32:33 AM »
<<michael why do you think it is so impossible?  why couldn't they sneek a dirty nuke in via a  shipping container on a ship?>>

They can't get their hands on a dirty nuke, they wouldn't know what to do with it if they could, and they couldn't hide the radiation from the radiation detectors.  I asked my wife's cousin about this, he is a nuclear physisist who has held some very high positions in the Canadian nuclear energy industry and he says it would be impossible to get these bombs past the radiation detectors at any port of entry.

You realize, I hope, that a dirty bomb won't kill anywhere near the number of people that could be killed by a high-explosive bomb.  The ammonium nitrate fertilizer bomb of Timothy McVeigh would kill many more than a dirty nuclear bomb.


<<drive it to manhattan in a Tim Veigh Ryder truck and let loose?  >>

They'd first have to get it into the country, which they couldn't.  Even if they could, the radiation detectors would pick it up at any of the bridge or tunnel entrances.

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Re: Al Qaeda Plans Nuke Attack On US
« Reply #14 on: February 09, 2008, 12:37:53 AM »
<<michael why do you think it is so impossible?  why couldn't they sneek a dirty nuke in via a  shipping container on a ship?>>

They can't get their hands on a dirty nuke, they wouldn't know what to do with it if they could, and they couldn't hide the radiation from the radiation detectors.  I asked my wife's cousin about this, he is a nuclear physisist who has held some very high positions in the Canadian nuclear energy industry and he says it would be impossible to get these bombs past the radiation detectors at any port of entry.

You realize, I hope, that a dirty bomb won't kill anywhere near the number of people that could be killed by a high-explosive bomb.  The ammonium nitrate fertilizer bomb of Timothy McVeigh would kill many more than a dirty nuclear bomb.


<<drive it to manhattan in a Tim Veigh Ryder truck and let loose?  >>

They'd first have to get it into the country, which they couldn't.  Even if they could, the radiation detectors would pick it up at any of the bridge or tunnel entrances.

I think they could get it in if they hid it all in bales of Marijuanna.

They could skip a step and just make the Marijuanna radioactive.