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Obama Adviser Calls for Troops To Stay in Iraq Through 2010
« on: April 04, 2008, 03:54:32 PM »
Obama Adviser Calls for Troops To Stay in Iraq Through 2010

By ELI LAKE, STAFF REPORTER OF THE SUN | April 4, 2008

WASHINGTON ? A key adviser to Senator Obama?s campaign is recommending in a confidential paper that America keep between 60,000 and 80,000 troops in Iraq as of late 2010, a plan at odds with the public pledge of the Illinois senator to withdraw combat forces from Iraq within 16 months of taking office.


The paper, obtained by The New York Sun, was written by Colin Kahl for the center-left Center for a New American Security. In ?Stay on Success: A Policy of Conditional Engagement,? Mr. Kahl writes that through negotiations with the Iraqi government ?the U.S. should aim to transition to a sustainable over-watch posture (of perhaps 60,000?80,000 forces) by the end of 2010 (although the specific timelines should be the byproduct of negotiations and conditions on the ground).?

Mr. Kahl is the day-to-day coordinator of the Obama campaign?s working group on Iraq. A shorter and less detailed version of this paper appeared on the center?s Web site as a policy brief.

Both Mr. Kahl and a senior Obama campaign adviser reached yesterday said the paper does not represent the campaign?s Iraq position. Nonetheless, the paper could provide clues as to the ultimate size of the residual American force the candidate has said would remain in Iraq after the withdrawal of combat brigades. The campaign has not publicly discussed the size of such a force in the past.

This is not the first time the opinion of an adviser to the Obama campaign has differed with the candidate?s stated Iraq policy. In February, Mr. Obama?s first foreign policy tutor, Samantha Power, told BBC that the senator?s current Iraq plan would likely change based on the advice of military commanders in 2009. She has since resigned her position as a formal adviser.

The political ramifications of the disclosure are yet to be seen. The perception of a harder line in Iraq could help Mr. Obama combat charges by Senator McCain in a general election that Mr. Obama favors a hasty surrender and retreat in Iraq. But it could hurt the Obama campaign with anti-war voters in the Democratic primaries. Mr. Obama?s rival for the Democratic nomination, Senator Clinton, has called for withdrawing troops from Iraq, but an architect of the surge has told the Sun that she has been wary of a precipitous withdrawal. In a situation with some parallels to this one, Mr. Obama suffered some political damage on the trade issue when he called publicly for a renegotiation of NAFTA while a policy adviser reportedly met with Canadian officials and downplayed the chances of a NAFTA retreat.

In an interview yesterday, a senior Obama foreign affairs adviser, Susan Rice, said the Iraq working group is not the last word on the campaign?s Iraq policy.

?We have experts and scholars with a range of views and Barack appreciates this range of views. They are in think tanks and like me they write in their own voice, they are people who do their independent scholarship. Barack Obama cannot be held accountable for what we all write,? she said. Ms. Rice said she had not seen the paper, which is marked as a draft and ?not for attribution without author?s permission.?

Mr. Kahl yesterday said, ?This has absolutely zero to do with the campaign.? He added, ?There are elements that are consistent with the Democratic Party?s approach, and I will leave it to others to find out if there are elements that are not.?

Mr. Kahl?s approach would call on the remaining troops in Iraq to play an ?over-watch role.? The term is used by Multinational Forces Iraq to describe the long term goal of the coalition force presence in the country, Mr. Kahl said in an interview.

?It refers to the U.S. being out of the lead, largely in a support role. It doesn?t mean the U.S. does not do things like targeted counter-terrorism missions or continue to train and advise the Iraqis,? he said. ?It would not be 150,000 Americans taking the lead in counterinsurgency.?

Mr. Obama?s policy to date also allows for a residual force for Iraq. In early Iowa debates, the senator would not pledge to remove all soldiers from Iraq, a distinction from his promise to withdraw all combat brigades. Also, Mr. Obama has stipulated that he would be open to having the military train the Iraqi Security Forces if he received guarantees that those forces would not be the shock troops of one side of an Iraqi civil war.

But the Obama campaign has also not said how many troops would make up this residual force. ?We have not put a number on that. It depends on the circumstances on the ground,? Ms. Rice said. She added, ?It would be worse than folly, it would be dangerous, to put a hard number on the residual forces.?

Mr. Kahl?s paper laid out what he called a ?middle way? between unlimited engagement in Iraq and complete and rapid disengagement. The approach is contingent, he said, on the progress and willingness of Iraq?s major confessional parties in reaching political accommodation.

?There is a fundamental difference in the assumption between the Democratic approach and the Bush-McCain approach. That approach is premised on the assumption the Iraqi government wants to reach accommodation and what they need is time. The surge is premised on the notion of creating breathing space,? Mr. Kahl said. He added that his strategy would pressure and entice the Iraqi government to begin political accommodation by not only starting the withdrawal, but also by stating that America had no intention to hold permanent bases in the country.

http://www.nysun.com/politics/obama-adviser-calls-troops-stay-iraq-through-2010

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Re: Obama Adviser Calls for Troops To Stay in Iraq Through 2010
« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2008, 06:06:23 PM »
There's a difference between an advisor and a candidate.

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Re: Obama Adviser Calls for Troops To Stay in Iraq Through 2010
« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2008, 08:19:43 PM »
Sounds like they are floating a trial balloon.

Let's say Obama takes office in 2009. Last i heard there are about 130k soldiers on the ground.

A 33% reduction in time for the 2010 elections leaving 85k is not bad bragging rights.

I doubt many on the left would accuse Obama of reneging on campaign promises and i don't think that many on the right would be upset with a reduction if the situation truly warranted it.

What this also tells me is Obama is confident he has the nomination sewn up and is beginning his move to the center.







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« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2008, 11:06:14 PM »
What this also tells me is Obama is confident he has the nomination sewn up and is beginning his move to the center.

That's a pretty good breakdown of the situation BT.

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« Reply #4 on: April 05, 2008, 06:16:10 AM »
Every candidate has to run from the center, because that is where the uncommitted votes are.
Candidates frequently do not stay in the center.

I recall a bunch of crap about "I am a uniter, not a divider". "We should not engage in nation building" and similar untruths from Juniorbush.
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« Reply #5 on: April 05, 2008, 07:19:26 AM »
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I recall a bunch of crap about "I am a uniter, not a divider". "We should not engage in nation building" and similar untruths from Juniorbush.

So voting for Obama is like voting to reelect Bush.

We'll know when he starts talking about the soft bigotry of low expectations.



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« Reply #6 on: April 05, 2008, 07:36:04 PM »
I think Obama is not likely to be the colossal liar that Juniorbush has been. I do not think that just because some adviser says the US should keep the imperial dragoons in Iraq that is is certain to happen.

It is much more certain that McCain would keep them there than either Hillary or Obama. It is more certain that McCain will suck up to the Zionists and provoke a war with Iran as well.
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« Reply #7 on: April 05, 2008, 08:28:44 PM »
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I think Obama is not likely to be the colossal liar that Juniorbush has been.

And yet Obama preaches unity yet attends a church that preaches divisiveness.

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« Reply #8 on: April 05, 2008, 09:30:45 PM »
I don't think what Wright preaches is intended to divide anyone.
Clearly, his bit about White folks inventing AIDS to eliminate Black folks is pure nonsense. But the Tuskeegee Syphilis experiments were nearly as unethical.

Basically, Wright was saying in one sermon of many, that the US should be ashamed of itself for meddling in other nations. Most of the world agrees on this, by the way.

Obama has already said that he does not share all of Wright's beliefs, and he is pretty convincing.

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« Reply #9 on: April 05, 2008, 09:56:04 PM »
Wrights message is US vs Them. Justified or not.

Obama's message is unity.

There is a disconnect.






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« Reply #10 on: April 05, 2008, 11:16:26 PM »
So what is the conclusion?

If a person is known to have heard sermons with whom he disagrees, he is ineligible for President?

I am pretty sure George Washington and John Adams heard very often what a terrible idea it might be to not be ruled by a king ruling by the Grace of God.
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« Reply #11 on: April 06, 2008, 01:27:57 AM »

Life and politics are constant shades of gray.

Obama has a loyalty to Wright because Wright was very influential and helpful to Obama's early career. The road to Springfield went through Wrights sanctuary.

Same way Carters road to DC went through Ebeneezer Baptist Church in Atlanta.

The Wright association doesn't disqualify Obama. It helped get him where he is today.

Obama will probably be the next President unless he self destructs.

I foresee four years of guns and butter.

 



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Re: Obama Adviser Calls for Troops To Stay in Iraq Through 2010
« Reply #12 on: April 06, 2008, 01:41:53 AM »

I foresee four years of guns and butter.


I agree, but I expect you'll be getting them under President McCain. Obama and Clinton are going at each other like junkyard dogs, and whoever gets the Dem nomination is likely to be damaged goods before McCain even gets a crack at them. The results are already showing in the polls.
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« Reply #13 on: April 06, 2008, 09:11:03 AM »
I don't see where Hillary and Obama are even close to "going at one another like junkyard dogs".

The big challenge for either of them will to overcome the anti-Liberal swiftboater anti-feminists and anti-Negroes who are a-waiting in the wings even as we speak for the proper time.

After that, when Hillary or Obama is president, there will come an even greater challenge from the Republicans who have attempted to wreck every move of every Democrat elected in recent years. Carter was pretty much as pure as the driven snow, so they went after his pal Bert Lance, and then his goofy brother Billy until they signed on Henry (the Thing that Will Not Die) Kissinger and set him up for the Iran Hostage Crisis. When Carter was elected, they went after him with the Whitewater non-scandal and finally set him up with Monica and the treacherous Linda Tripp.

We will never have a proper government or a decent country so long as this foetid crap goes on. Our foreign policy will be a blend of incompetence and imperialism for the benefit of the fatcats, and every year more of the middle class will be deliberately impoverished, just to keep them in their place and working for less. The favorite gambit towards this end now are banks and their credit card scams and healthcare plans that every year pay less and less with higher and higher premiums and co-pays.

Their target is the inequality we had around 1892 or so, but they will go lower if they can get away with it. Mexicans had their middle class robbed of around 30% in the 1990's, and they scored a 40% hit on Argentines in the early 2000's. It's an international movement to bust the middle class down to semi-educated drones.

And it's coming to a town near you, soon.
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