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Another Liberal Fantasy/Lie exposed.
« on: April 22, 2008, 02:55:45 PM »
now lets get ready for the "we're all gonna freeze" leftist freaks



Sorry to ruin the fun, but an ice age cometh

By Phil Chapman | April 23, 2008

THE scariest photo I have seen on the internet is www.spaceweather.com, where you will find a real-time image of the sun from the Solar and Heliospheric Observatory, located in deep space at the equilibrium point between solar and terrestrial gravity.

What is scary about the picture is that there is only one tiny sunspot.

Disconcerting as it may be to true believers in global warming, the average temperature on Earth has remained steady or slowly declined during the past decade, despite the continued increase in the atmospheric concentration of carbon dioxide, and now the global temperature is falling precipitously.

All four agencies that track Earth's temperature (the Hadley Climate Research Unit in Britain, the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies in New York, the Christy group at the University of Alabama, and Remote Sensing Systems Inc in California) report that it cooled by about 0.7C in 2007. This is the fastest temperature change in the instrumental record and it puts us back where we were in 1930. If the temperature does not soon recover, we will have to conclude that global warming is over.

There is also plenty of anecdotal evidence that 2007 was exceptionally cold. It snowed in Baghdad for the first time in centuries, the winter in China was simply terrible and the extent of Antarctic sea ice in the austral winter was the greatest on record since James Cook discovered the place in 1770.

It is generally not possible to draw conclusions about climatic trends from events in a single year, so I would normally dismiss this cold snap as transient, pending what happens in the next few years.

This is where SOHO comes in. The sunspot number follows a cycle of somewhat variable length, averaging 11 years. The most recent minimum was in March last year. The new cycle, No.24, was supposed to start soon after that, with a gradual build-up in sunspot numbers.

It didn't happen. The first sunspot appeared in January this year and lasted only two days. A tiny spot appeared last Monday but vanished within 24 hours. Another little spot appeared this Monday. Pray that there will be many more, and soon.

The reason this matters is that there is a close correlation between variations in the sunspot cycle and Earth's climate. The previous time a cycle was delayed like this was in the Dalton Minimum, an especially cold period that lasted several decades from 1790.

Northern winters became ferocious: in particular, the rout of Napoleon's Grand Army during the retreat from Moscow in 1812 was at least partly due to the lack of sunspots.

That the rapid temperature decline in 2007 coincided with the failure of cycle No.24 to begin on schedule is not proof of a causal connection but it is cause for concern.

It is time to put aside the global warming dogma, at least to begin contingency planning about what to do if we are moving into another little ice age, similar to the one that lasted from 1100 to 1850.

There is no doubt that the next little ice age would be much worse than the previous one and much more harmful than anything warming may do. There are many more people now and we have become dependent on a few temperate agricultural areas, especially in the US and Canada. Global warming would increase agricultural output, but global cooling will decrease it.

Millions will starve if we do nothing to prepare for it (such as planning changes in agriculture to compensate), and millions more will die from cold-related diseases.

There is also another possibility, remote but much more serious. The Greenland and Antarctic ice cores and other evidence show that for the past several million years, severe glaciation has almost always afflicted our planet.

The bleak truth is that, under normal conditions, most of North America and Europe are buried under about 1.5km of ice. This bitterly frigid climate is interrupted occasionally by brief warm interglacials, typically lasting less than 10,000 years.

The interglacial we have enjoyed throughout recorded human history, called the Holocene, began 11,000 years ago, so the ice is overdue. We also know that glaciation can occur quickly: the required decline in global temperature is about 12C and it can happen in 20 years.

The next descent into an ice age is inevitable but may not happen for another 1000 years. On the other hand, it must be noted that the cooling in 2007 was even faster than in typical glacial transitions. If it continued for 20 years, the temperature would be 14C cooler in 2027.

By then, most of the advanced nations would have ceased to exist, vanishing under the ice, and the rest of the world would be faced with a catastrophe beyond imagining.

Australia may escape total annihilation but would surely be overrun by millions of refugees. Once the glaciation starts, it will last 1000 centuries, an incomprehensible stretch of time.

If the ice age is coming, there is a small chance that we could prevent or at least delay the transition, if we are prepared to take action soon enough and on a large enough scale.

For example: We could gather all the bulldozers in the world and use them to dirty the snow in Canada and Siberia in the hope of reducing the reflectance so as to absorb more warmth from the sun.

We also may be able to release enormous floods of methane (a potent greenhouse gas) from the hydrates under the Arctic permafrost and on the continental shelves, perhaps using nuclear weapons to destabilise the deposits.

We cannot really know, but my guess is that the odds are at least 50-50 that we will see significant cooling rather than warming in coming decades.

The probability that we are witnessing the onset of a real ice age is much less, perhaps one in 500, but not totally negligible.

All those urging action to curb global warming need to take off the blinkers and give some thought to what we should do if we are facing global cooling instead.

It will be difficult for people to face the truth when their reputations, careers, government grants or hopes for social change depend on global warming, but the fate of civilisation may be at stake.

In the famous words of Oliver Cromwell, "I beseech you, in the bowels of Christ, think it possible you may be mistaken."

Phil Chapman is a geophysicist and astronautical engineer who lives in San Francisco. He was the first Australian to become a NASA astronaut

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23583376-7583,00.html

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Re: Another Liberal Fantasy/Lie exposed.
« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2008, 03:52:53 PM »
Global warming is absolutely a hoax. It's designed by the left to gain more power over your lives. I believe it's also a hoax designed to make money by the invention and installation of new technology, whether said technology is needed or not. The left and the right are guilty on that count.


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Re: Another Liberal Fantasy/Lie exposed.
« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2008, 03:56:38 PM »
Global warming is absolutely a hoax. It's designed by the left to gain more power over your lives.

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There are rather a few icebergs, that by melting a lot more than usual, tend to belie your beliefs.
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« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2008, 04:13:10 PM »
Bull.

There's more ice on the South Pole than ever before recorded. Oh, and polar bears numbers are increasing.

It's a hoax.

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« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2008, 04:14:07 PM »
http://www.dbcp.noaa.gov/seashelp/HtmlIceberg.htm

http://www.uscg.mil/lantarea/iip/General/database.shtml

http://nsidc.org/data/docs/noaa/g00807_international_iceberg_sightings/index.html

Ships transiting between Europe and east coast ports of Canada and the US traverse a great circle route that brings them into the vicinity of icebergs carried south by the cold Labrador Current near the Grand Banks. It was here that the R.M.S. Titanic sank in 1912, after it struck an iceberg. This disaster resulted in the loss of 1517 lives and led directly to the founding of the IIP in 1914. The mission of the IIP is to monitor iceberg danger near the Grand Banks of Newfoundland and provide the limits of all known ice to the maritime community. The IIP does this by sighting icebergs, primarily through airborne Coast Guard reconnaissance missions, plotting and predicting iceberg drift using a model, and every 12 hours during the ice season, estimating the limit of all known ice. This limit, along with a few of the more critical predicted iceberg locations, is broadcast by radio stations and made available online as an Ice Bulletin. Twice daily, a radio facsimile chart of the area, depicting the limits of all known ice, is broadcast. The IIP broadcasts its products during the time of year that icebergs threaten shipping. This varies, but usually begins in February and ends in July.



http://nsidc.org/pubs/annual/NSIDC_Annual_Report_2006.pdf


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There ought to be a good database.

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Re: Another Liberal Fantasy/Lie exposed.
« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2008, 09:38:42 PM »
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« Reply #6 on: April 22, 2008, 09:48:35 PM »
I can't wait till our coastlines are somewhere around Vegas and Philly and you're still holding your ears and saying "polar bear numbers increased and it is all a hoax! lalalalalalalala!!!!"


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« Reply #7 on: April 22, 2008, 09:59:23 PM »
I can't wait till our coastlines are somewhere around Vegas and Philly and you're still holding your ears and saying "polar bear numbers increased and it is all a hoax! lalalalalalalala!!!!"



It could be a hoax , a really big one.

Time will tell.

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« Reply #8 on: April 22, 2008, 11:10:57 PM »
I can't wait till our coastlines are somewhere around Vegas and Philly and you're still holding your ears and saying "polar bear numbers increased and it is all a hoax! lalalalalalalala!!!!"



It could be a hoax , a really big one.

Time will tell.

So, then that would mean that you have a conspiracy theory about global warming?

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Re: Another Liberal Fantasy/Lie exposed.
« Reply #9 on: April 22, 2008, 11:12:45 PM »
So, then that would mean that you have a conspiracy theory about global warming?

Conspiracy is not required. Greed explains it.
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Re: Another Liberal Fantasy/Lie exposed.
« Reply #10 on: April 22, 2008, 11:34:16 PM »
I can't wait till our coastlines are somewhere around Vegas and Philly and you're still holding your ears and saying "polar bear numbers increased and it is all a hoax! lalalalalalalala!!!!"



It could be a hoax , a really big one.

Time will tell.

So, then that would mean that you have a conspiracy theory about global warming?

I have a chicken little theroy about Global warming.

A too small data sample can mislead the careless scientist , who then by dint of deep voice and monagramed labcoat leads many lemmings.

This may be worth looking into , but the proof is not really convincing.

On the other hand the worlds fisherys are in serious troubble and this has a greater potential for causeing death and misery than the global warming worst case , yet the US is not the cheif villan in that problem so who cares?

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« Reply #11 on: April 23, 2008, 01:01:54 AM »
On the other hand the worlds fisherys are in serious troubble and this has a greater potential for causeing death and misery than the global warming worst case , yet the US is not the cheif villan in that problem so who cares?

You've got a good point there plane.  Fisheries are in deep trouble, and there are a lot of reasons for the plummeting fish stocks.  Commercial and sport salmon fishing has been banned this year for the first time ever from CA to the Vancouver River (though there is a small sport coho season planned this year in Oregon).  Some analysts are predicting salmon to hit $40 a pound this year for some species in some places, and we're not talking about the overpriced first run Copper River fish from Alaska either.

As to the source of the problem, there are many reasons.  The US may not be the chief villain, being behind Japan, Russia, and a couple of others, but we have our hands in it too.  Some commercial tactics, such as mile long trawl nets that sweep up everything on the ocean floor, and purse seiners with four mile nets, should probably be banned.  Ideally, better management on the part of all parties, national and international, would benefit all.

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« Reply #12 on: April 23, 2008, 11:17:34 AM »
The US may not be the chief villain, being behind Japan, Russia, and a couple of others, but we have our hands in it too.  Some commercial tactics, such as mile long trawl nets that sweep up everything on the ocean floor, and purse seiners with four mile nets, should probably be banned.  Ideally, better management on the part of all parties, national and international, would benefit all.


  Who is this problem politicly usefull to?

   Global warming warnings have political use so it gains from political sponsors.

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« Reply #13 on: April 23, 2008, 02:34:49 PM »
"We simply cannot afford to gamble. We cannot risk inaction. The scientists who disagree are acting irresponsibly. The indications that our climate can soon change for the worse are too strong to be reasonably ignored."

This quote was taken from the Washington Post in 1972. Many scientists agreed that we were in grave danger. But the fear that gripped these scientists in 1972 was over something called "global cooling."

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/99989/global_warming_a_lot_of_hot_air.html

Nothing but a lot of hot air designed to frighten children and the easily frightened.

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« Reply #14 on: April 23, 2008, 02:37:48 PM »
There really is global warming. If you lived in Miami, you could not deny this. We had exactl;y 10 really cold days last winter. When I came here in 1976, there was over a month of cold days. It even snowed in 1977.

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