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God D*mn America
« on: April 23, 2008, 12:21:30 PM »
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Re: God D*mn America
« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2008, 12:53:31 PM »
"Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!" - Ronald Reagan - June 12, 1987

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« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2008, 01:36:02 PM »
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« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2008, 04:24:49 PM »
www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chi-oped0404wrightapr03,0,225570.story
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Factor military duty into criticism


By Lawrence Korb and Ian Moss

April 3, 2008

In 1961, a young African-American man, after hearing President John F. Kennedy's challenge to, "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country," gave up his student deferment, left college in Virginia and voluntarily joined the Marines.

In 1963, this man, having completed his two years of service in the Marines, volunteered again to become a Navy corpsman. (They provide medical assistance to the Marines as well as to Navy personnel.)

The man did so well in corpsman school that he was the valedictorian and became a cardiopulmonary technician. Not surprisingly, he was assigned to the Navy's premier medical facility, Bethesda Naval Hospital, as a member of the commander in chief's medical team, and helped care for President Lyndon B. Johnson after his 1966 surgery. For his service on the team, which he left in 1967, the White House awarded him three letters of commendation.

What is even more remarkable is that this man entered the Marines and Navy not many years after the two branches began to become integrated.

While this young man was serving six years on active duty, Vice President Dick Cheney, who was born the same year as the Marine/sailor, received five deferments, four for being an undergraduate and graduate student and one for being a prospective father. Presidents Bill Clinton and George W. Bush, both five years younger than the African-American youth, used their student deferments to stay in college until 1968. Both then avoided going on active duty through family connections.

Who is the real patriot? The young man who interrupted his studies to serve his country for six years or our three political leaders who beat the system? Are the patriots the people who actually sacrifice something or those who merely talk about their love of the country?

After leaving the service of his country, the young African-American finished his final year of college, entered the seminary, was ordained as a minister, and eventually became pastor of a large church in one of America's biggest cities.

This man is Rev. Jeremiah Wright, the retiring pastor of Trinity United Church of Christ, who has been in the news for comments he made over the last three decades.

Since these comments became public we have heard criticisms, condemnations, denouncements and rejections of his comments and him.

We've seen on television, in a seemingly endless loop, sound bites of a select few of Rev. Wright's many sermons.

Some of the Wright's comments are inexcusable and inappropriate and should be condemned, but in calling him "unpatriotic," let us not forget that this is a man who gave up six of the most productive years of his life to serve his country.

How many of Wright's detractors, Rush Limbaugh and Bill O'Reilly to name but a few, volunteered for service, and did so under the often tumultuous circumstances of a newly integrated armed forces and a society in the midst of a civil rights struggle? Not many.

While words do count, so do actions.

Let us not forget that, for whatever Rev. Wright may have said over the last 30 years, he has demonstrated his patriotism.

Lawrence Korb and Ian Moss are, respectively, Navy and Marine Corps veterans. They work at The Center For American Progress. Korb served as assistant secretary of Defense in the Reagan administration.

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« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2008, 05:01:02 PM »
Those who harp on Jeremiah Wright's speech do not understand that Black Americans are not the "my country, right or wrong" patriots or imperialists that many White Americans are, because throughout US history, Black Americans have not enjoyed the bounty of being Americans that White Americans have.

Ford devised a way to sell millions of cars, Edison invented and marketed electric lightbulbs and dozens of other inventions, and both of them got very, very rich. Their families are STILL so rich they need not work at all. George Washington Carver certainly benefitted humanity a lot with his work with the peanut, but he never became rich like Ford, Edison, DuPont, Mellon, Carnegie, or the White success stories.

Wright sees the US not as a country that deserves to disappear, but one that should be ashamed of itself for its mistreatment of Black folks. Can anyone say that it has any reason to be proud of the KKK, restrictive covenents, Jim Crow laws, segregation, redlining and general second-class treatment of its minorities?
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Re: God D*mn America
« Reply #5 on: April 23, 2008, 05:20:50 PM »
Who is the real patriot?

didn't tim mcveigh serve his country?
well gosh I guess that settles it!

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Re: God D*mn America
« Reply #6 on: April 23, 2008, 05:44:31 PM »
"Those who harp on Jeremiah Wright's speech do not understand that Black Americans are not the "my country, right or wrong" patriots or imperialists that many White Americans are, because throughout US history, Black Americans have not enjoyed the bounty of being Americans that White Americans have"

EXACTLY.
And thats a big part of their problem.
Instead of moving on, they cant get over the past.
Bitching gets you no-where, but good grades will.
Some would rather stay in the pity party, dismiss their own inadequacies and "blame whitey".
Some make millions blaming whitey and build mansions in lily white gated communities and
then scream how terrible America is, yeah God Damn America from my mansion!  ::)



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Re: God D*mn America
« Reply #7 on: April 23, 2008, 10:14:14 PM »
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How many of Wright's detractors, Rush Limbaugh and Bill O'Reilly to name but a few, volunteered for service...

If I remember correctly, Rush avoided service basically because of a boil on his butt.
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« Reply #8 on: April 23, 2008, 10:35:38 PM »
It would seem that Rev. Wright is a success story. I don't think he is whining or complaining about being a victiom. He is basically saying that America has not played fair with Black people even though it should have.
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Re: God D*mn America
« Reply #9 on: April 23, 2008, 10:42:34 PM »
There's nothing the left won't defend as long as it has a "D" after it.

Especially if it hates America.

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Re: God D*mn America
« Reply #10 on: April 24, 2008, 12:30:51 AM »
Put into what context should an American like a message of God damn you ?
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« Reply #11 on: April 24, 2008, 01:07:56 PM »
I imagine the dudes that had plagues visited upon them by God were asking the same thing. 
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Re: God D*mn America
« Reply #12 on: April 24, 2008, 01:54:16 PM »
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Re: God D*mn America
« Reply #13 on: April 24, 2008, 02:44:17 PM »
I imagine the dudes that had plagues visited upon them by God were asking the same thing. 



Unexpected agreement with the Westboro Baptist Church gang.

If Jeremiah Wright's ambition is to be a  Jeremiah then he best not quit til we reach repentance or destruction.

If his message is the truth , he is wrong to us to stop upbraiding us .

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Re: God D*mn America
« Reply #14 on: April 24, 2008, 03:03:52 PM »
I don't want God to damn America.
I'm an American, I'm not a preacher, and I'm selfish. I don't want me and my countrymen to be damned.

But what would God say about a country who engages in torture, openly. 
This, he should bless?  He who gave his only Son, who was tortured to death?
I confess, it worries me.
Will God say, "S'O.K., the other guys were much worse."  ?
We say God Bless America and we don't think we're asking God to actually bless our conduct? Well, maybe we are. Maybe words have meanings. 
Or maybe we think God should bless us just because we are America. 
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