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Inside The Numbers
« on: June 09, 2008, 12:59:15 PM »
Inside The Numbers: 'Once Stupid, Always Stupid'
By Matt Towery
Southern Political Report
Copyright ? 2008 Creators Syndicate

June 6, 2008 ? My late paternal grandfather was quite a character. I could probably write volumes on him. He had a wacky set of catch phrases -- one of which was to say of someone who made a mistake, "Once stupid, always stupid."

We can't know yet if the Democratic Party is brilliant or deluded in choosing Obama. He is fairly inexperienced as a U.S. senator, but he is a spellbinding orator, too. He offers the change his supporters crave, but neither he nor they can say exactly what that means.

But I know this: For most of us who are pundits and columnists, our forecast a year or so ago that Hillary Clinton was a lock-cinch guarantee to win the Democratic nomination was a misjudgment that recalls my grandfather's maxim, too.

Just to show that sometimes writers will admit to how far off they are, let's just look at how inaccurate I was about the Democratic nomination. In January 2007, I wrote, "Like it or don't like it, but trust me: Hillary will win the nomination ? Barack Obama is too green behind the gills to be ready for the most-prime prime time of all, a presidential campaign ? the Democratic nomination? Take it to the bank. It's Hillary."

Hold on a second. The blood is still draining from my face.

I wasn't alone, thank goodness. Consider this little number from one of the world's most respected news magazines, The Economist, from October 2007. "Mrs. Clinton is not only the frontrunner. She is well on her way to becoming the prohibitive frontrunner."

But a funny thing happened on the way to the finish line. Several things, in fact.

First, the Democratic National Committee refused to allow the Florida primary vote to count until it was too late to do Clinton any good. So instead of a New Hampshire primary win followed by a potential big win in Florida, for Hillary it was instead a loss in South Carolina, followed by more losses in states mostly unsympathetic to her.

Second, a Des Moines Register poll that appeared just days before the Iowa caucus created a wild scenario that had hordes of young voters stampeding one another on the way to vote for Obama.

Those projections didn't materialize. But they did something better for Obama: The publicity about the poll persuaded many caucus participants to cast their second ballots for Obama when their first choice didn't get the required 15 percent of the vote on the first ballot.

The next day after the Des Moines poll, our polls showed a massive shift to Obama as the "second choice." The poll became self-fulfilling.

Finally, there was the mysterious movement of party leaders, one by one -- from Kennedys to onetime Clinton loyalists -- who at remarkably regular intervals declared the race to belong to Obama and gave him their support.

There's a lesson here for both Obama and McCain boosters: Predictions don't work this year.

If the McCain organization doesn't recognize that Barack Obama is not only charismatic and extraordinarily well organized, but also that he has a serendipitous knack for finding good fortune, then they will lose in November.

A "ho-hum" endless mantra about Iran, Iraq and his own experience will leave McCain looking like the obsessive old man cussing in his coffee at the retirement village.

Meanwhile, the Obama camp had better not believe that "change for the sake of change" is enough of a rallying cry to carry a candidate through all of the rough times that one encounters in a presidential slugfest.

So far, I must say, Obama has seemed an awfully cool customer. But at some point he will have to go toe-to-toe with McCain; and trust me as one who had a very contentious (but not unfriendly) 30-minute crossing of swords with him on TV in 2000, McCain is as savvy and tough as they come.

Nothing can be taken for granted in this upcoming presidential season. But I will make one prediction anyway. No, make that two! (Call it a bad habit.)

I believe the lines at the polls this fall will be the longest anyone alive has ever seen. I can picture polling places being brought to a near halt as they try to process massive turnout from coast to coast.

And I believe one other thing: We won't know who our next president will be until well into the day after Election Day.

Somewhere, my grandfather is reading this and wincing.

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Michael Tee

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Re: Inside The Numbers
« Reply #1 on: June 09, 2008, 01:46:38 PM »
<<[An]  . . . endless mantra about Iran, Iraq and his own experience will leave McCain looking like the obsessive old man cussing in his coffee at the retirement village.>>

And?  Maybe he could add Popeye's line to lighten things up a little, "I yam what I yam."  Or is there some fake persona that you think that McSame could convincingly pull off, keeping in mind that he's none too bright in the first place?

<<Meanwhile, the Obama camp had better not believe that "change for the sake of change" is enough of a rallying cry to carry a candidate through all of the rough times that one encounters in a presidential slugfest.>>

That would depend on how much of a mess has been made of the country by the existing administration.  Given the extent of the current shithole that your "President" has dug you into, I would say that "time for a change" will easily carry Obama just as far as he wants to go.

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Re: Inside The Numbers
« Reply #2 on: June 09, 2008, 02:22:29 PM »
I don't think the american people are as shallow as you think.


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Re: Inside The Numbers
« Reply #3 on: June 09, 2008, 08:49:11 PM »
<<I don't think the american people are as shallow as you think. >>

They are what they are.  It sure as hell isn't up to me to label them "shallow" or "deep" and I don't think anyone can.  Takes all kinds.  It's really a diversion to get into stuff like that.

McCain is an old guy with all the limitations that come with age - - irrational bellicosity, rigid thinking, arrogance, backward-looking, etc., and it shows.  Obama is a young guy with all the advantages of youth - - good looks, vigor, a good speaking voice, willingness to take risks to engineer a better world, boldness, daring and forward-looking.  And it shows too.

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« Reply #4 on: June 09, 2008, 09:57:58 PM »
Obama is a young guy with all the advantages of youth - - good looks, vigor, a good speaking voice, willingness to take risks to engineer a better world, boldness, daring and forward-looking.  And it shows too.

Can't stop love.

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Re: Inside The Numbers
« Reply #5 on: June 09, 2008, 10:38:34 PM »
<<Can't stop love.>>

You'll know that when all the votes are counted.  That's not to say, though, that lovers can't be cheated.

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Re: Inside The Numbers
« Reply #6 on: June 09, 2008, 10:45:43 PM »
You say he is willing to take risks to engineer a better world.

Got an example of what you are thinking of or hopeing for?

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Re: Inside The Numbers
« Reply #7 on: June 09, 2008, 11:46:20 PM »
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Can't stop love.

Love isn't the emotion we are witnessing here.


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Re: Inside The Numbers
« Reply #8 on: June 10, 2008, 01:30:13 AM »
You say he is willing to take risks to engineer a better world.

Got an example of what you are thinking of or hopeing for?

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An end to the root causes of what you call "terrorism" and an end to imperialism so that the trillions currently wasted in Iraq and around the world can be put to socially productive uses.  I hope that Obama will stop the U.S. policy of creating enemies for itself around the world so that it can then have ready-made excuses for its own brand of state terrorism and its imperialistic adventures in the Middle East.

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Re: Inside The Numbers
« Reply #9 on: June 10, 2008, 05:48:41 AM »
You say he is willing to take risks to engineer a better world.

Got an example of what you are thinking of or hopeing for?

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An end to the root causes of what you call "terrorism" and an end to imperialism so that the trillions currently wasted in Iraq and around the world can be put to socially productive uses.  I hope that Obama will stop the U.S. policy of creating enemies for itself around the world so that it can then have ready-made excuses for its own brand of state terrorism and its imperialistic adventures in the Middle East.


Attacking the root causes of terrorism will require continuance of the Bush policys , which of course Barak Obama is likely to do , if he lives up to his word.

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Re: Inside The Numbers
« Reply #10 on: June 10, 2008, 08:13:17 AM »
Attacking the root causes of terrorism will require continuance of the Bush policys , which of course Barak Obama is likely to do , if he lives up to his word.

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One of the root causes of terrorism was Juniorbush's preemptive invasion of Iraq. There were no acts of Shiite or Al Qaeda terrorism in Iraq before the invasion, but after it, Iraq is where more acts of terrorism have occurred since the invasion.

So, no, "continuance of the Juniorbush policies" is NOT required. In fact, many of these policies need to be ditched and a complete reassessment needs to be made.

And nowhere has Obama promised to continue Juniorbush's policies.
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Re: Inside The Numbers
« Reply #11 on: June 10, 2008, 08:40:06 AM »
There were no acts of Shiite or Al Qaeda terrorism in Iraq before the invasion, but after it, Iraq is where more acts of terrorism have occurred since the invasion.

I guess that the actions of Al Qaeda against Kurds in Iraq (supported by Saddam) don't count.
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« Reply #12 on: June 10, 2008, 09:03:31 AM »
I guess that the actions of Al Qaeda against Kurds in Iraq (supported by Saddam) don't count.


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If Saddam's support actually caused this, which is doubtful, it was negligible compared to the massive terrorism caused by the invasion. By 2003, Kurds were no longer being gassed. They were being gassed at about the same time those photos of Rumsfeld and Saddam grinning like best buddies were taken.
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Re: Inside The Numbers
« Reply #13 on: June 10, 2008, 09:08:44 AM »
If Saddam's support actually caused this, which is doubtful, it was negligible compared to the massive terrorism caused by the invasion.

I didn't say his support "caused" it. Al Qaeda was operating in Iraq prior to the invasion against the Kurds. And Saddam was supporting it.

Both of which you denied happened.

Even if only ONE act of Al Qaeda terrorism happened in Iraq prior to the invasion, it puts the lie to your statement "There were no acts of Shiite or Al Qaeda terrorism in Iraq before the invasion" - and the fact is that it was ongoing terrorism, not just one act.
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« Reply #14 on: June 10, 2008, 10:36:26 AM »
The net increase of acts of terrorism jumped exponentially when Juniorbush invaded Iraq, whatever you wish to quibble.
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