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Let the Piss Poor Judgement train continue
« on: June 12, 2008, 12:29:40 AM »
Bad enough with all the racist and anti-american associations, bad enough with having one of your VP search committee members being the key facilitator for the Marc Rich pardon, but low and behold, another member of this committee had the proper judgement to actually take himself out, vs Oblather taking the lead to have let him go


Johnson Quits Obama's Vice Presidential Search Team

By Julianna Goldman

June 11 (Bloomberg) -- Former Fannie Mae Chairman James Johnson said he has quit Senator Barack Obama's vice presidential search committee after the Wall Street Journal reported he may have received preferential mortgage terms from Countrywide Financial Corp.

Johnson said that while he has done nothing wrong, he left to avoid being a hindrance to Obama, the presumptive Democratic nominee.

"I would not dream of being a party to distracting attention from that historic effort,'' he said in a statement. "I believe Barack Obama's candidacy for president of the United States is the most exciting and important of my lifetime.''

Johnson's ties to Countrywide became a campaign issue after Republicans pointed out that Obama had been critical of the mortgage lender in campaign speeches. Johnson's role as a political insider also contrasted with Obama's pledge to bring change to Washington.

Johnson, 64, said that "blatantly false statements and misrepresentations'' were written about him.

"Jim did not want to distract in any way from the very important task of gathering information about my vice presidential nominee, so he has made a decision to step aside that I accept,'' Obama said in an e-mailed statement.

Obama said he is "confident'' his vice presidential search process will produce "a number of highly qualified candidates'' in coming weeks.

Kenney, Holder
Johnson was part of a three-person team, along with Caroline Kennedy, the daughter of the late President John F. Kennedy, and former Deputy U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder, who were tapped to help vet prospective running mates for Obama. Johnson, who ran Walter Mondale's 1984 presidential campaign, helped 2004 Democratic nominee John Kerry in his vice presidential search.

Angelo Mozilo, the chief executive officer of Countrywide, the biggest U.S. home lender, may have given Johnson and other friends good deals on mortgages, the Wall Street Journal reported on June 7, citing unidentified people familiar with the matter. The newspaper didn't provide any specifics on whether favors were granted.

Since then, Johnson's position on the search committee has drawn criticism from Republicans who noted that Obama, the presumptive Democratic nominee, repeatedly denounced Countrywide for its role in the subprime-mortgage crisis.

Obama and Countrywide
"These are the folks who are responsible for infecting the economy and helping to create a home-foreclosure crisis -- 2 million people may end up losing their homes,'' Obama said of Countrywide at a March 31 campaign appearance in Lancaster, Pennsylvania.

Johnson's resignation raises concerns about Obama's judgment, said Tucker Bounds, a spokesman for Senator John McCain, the presumptive Republican nominee.

"The American people have reason to question the judgment of a candidate who has shown he will only make the right call when under pressure from news media,'' Bounds said.

One Republican strategist said mismatches between Obama's rhetoric and the realities of a presidential campaign will continue to be exploited.

"Harsh Reality"
"Soaring rhetoric turns into harsh reality really fast and this is going to happen to Obama over and over again,'' said Terry Holt, a Republican strategist and former campaign spokesman for President George W. Bush. "People's expectations of Obama are going to be difficult to keep up.''

A Countrywide spokesman didn't immediately return a phone call seeking comment on Johnson's loans. Fannie Mae spokesman Brian Faith declined to comment on Johnson's resignation.

Obama, 46, an Illinois senator, yesterday defended his campaign's ties to Johnson, an unpaid adviser, saying it wasn't realistic to think aides would be doing extensive checks on everyone connected with his campaign.

"I am not vetting my VP search committee for their mortgages,'' Obama said during a news conference in St. Louis.

Johnson's role at Fannie Mae, where he was chairman from 1991-99, has also come under scrutiny. The Washington Post reported today that executives of the Washington-based company were concerned in 2004 that a consulting arrangement they had with Johnson would be publicized in confirmation hearings.

"I am extremely proud of my service to Fannie Mae and in other important dimensions of public service,'' Johnson said in his statement.

Holder has also come under fire from Republicans for his role in the 2001 pardon of commodities trader Marc Rich.

One possible candidate if the Obama campaign decides to replace Johnson could be former Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle, a national campaign co-chairman for Obama.


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Re: Let the Piss Poor Judgement train continue
« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2008, 01:01:04 AM »
Ah, I see how it works.  You blamed Clinton for 8 years, then when Bush spoiled the Republican brand for this and several generations to come, you blamed Clinton again, and now...you start to blame Obama??

Piss poor judgement, indeed.
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Re: Let the Piss Poor Judgement train continue
« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2008, 02:00:39 AM »
Now, how it works is we blame piss poor judgment on the person perpetuating the piss poor judgement, citing the examples of such
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Re: Let the Piss Poor Judgement train continue
« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2008, 02:16:10 AM »
LOL

Ok.  Never mind. Whatever floats your boat.
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Re: Let the Piss Poor Judgement train continue
« Reply #4 on: June 12, 2008, 03:17:38 AM »
Yep, and judgement, or severe lack there-of in someone who wants to be my president, definately "floats my boat"
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Re: Let the Piss Poor Judgement train continue
« Reply #5 on: June 12, 2008, 09:15:55 AM »
Yep, and judgement, or severe lack there-of in someone who wants to be my president, definately "floats my boat"
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A presidential campaign is a very complicated affair. There are thousands of people involved. And you expect every one of those people to not only have been never found guilty of anything, but to be guilty by your standards. That is, unless they agree with your political views, then you can cut them some slack.

This silly game is like judging a film as unworthy of an award because the Best Boy or the Key Grip was demonstrably uncouth or guilty of illegal parking on some occasion or another.

Did Mark Rich deserve to have a lawyer?
Should that lawyer have represented him to the best of his abilities?

Do you not understand that is what lawyers do?
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Re: Let the Piss Poor Judgement train continue
« Reply #6 on: June 12, 2008, 11:11:07 AM »
A presidential campaign is a very complicated affair. There are thousands of people involved. And you expect every one of those people to not only have been never found guilty of anything, but to be guilty by your standards.

No, I expect someone who wants to be my president to demonstrate significantly better judgement than to associate himself (much less embrace himself) with "obvious" racists, Anti-americans, & grossly unethical inidviduals.  This isn't some happenstance that Oblather "just found out, about".  He's known about Holder's history, he's known about Phleger's & Ayer's history.  He's actually embraced Wright's history for 20+years.  When this stuff about Johnson came out, Oblather should have demonstrated leadership and requested he remove himself.  But no, Johnson himself was the only one that demonstrated even a hint of appropriate judgement by taking himself out. 

And let me add, if Johnson is truely "innocent" of all wrong doing, as he claims, Oblather should have the fortitude to tell the media to go fly a kite, that he won't allow unfounded and false news stories about his folks dictate who's going to work for him.  He didn't do that either, .... surprise, surprise.  The more we learn, and push aside the superficial rhetoric, the worse its gonna get


Did Mark Rich deserve to have a lawyer?  Should that lawyer have represented him to the best of his abilities?  Do you not understand that is what lawyers do?

You can not be serious.  You're now trying to justify Rich's Pardon??  A) Holder works for the Justice Dept, which is largely a Prosecutorial branch, not a bunch of Defense Lawyers.  B) Holder was NOT Rich's laywer  C) Rich was found guilty of not paying "his fair share" by a court of law, but he ran, and has never once tried to seek restitution, but remains as Anti-American as he's always been.  He did deserve a lawyer and HAD one, he WAS given his day in court.  He was found GUILTY.  Do you not understand the Legal system of this country??
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Re: Let the Piss Poor Judgement train continue
« Reply #7 on: June 13, 2008, 10:01:07 AM »
So how is this guy to blame for Clinton giving Rich a pardon?

Isn't Clinton the one to blame?

He can't be prosecuted for giving a pardon.

Anyway, this guy is no longer on Obama's staff, so this is no longer an issue.

The Republicans, aware that they screwed up more than any administration in history are being sucked down into the quicksand and are grasping at straws. They are doomed.
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Re: Let the Piss Poor Judgement train continue
« Reply #8 on: June 13, 2008, 10:27:25 AM »
So how is this guy to blame for Clinton giving Rich a pardon?  Isn't Clinton the one to blame?

Holder gave it the so-called "legal green light".  But I love your so called "grasp of the legal system"      ;D


Anyway, this guy is no longer on Obama's staff, so this is no longer an issue.

Yep......now we wait to see what new bonehead judgement decision Oblather we'll make.  And if this fella was innocent of any wrong doing, Oblather should have demonstrated leadership, and kept him on his VP committee

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Re: Let the Piss Poor Judgement train continue
« Reply #9 on: June 13, 2008, 10:43:16 AM »
Since there is nothing whatever that would cause you to do anything other than dump on Obama, it would be best to just ignore you and your instinctive silliness.
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Re: Let the Piss Poor Judgement train continue
« Reply #10 on: June 13, 2008, 10:57:45 AM »
Go for it.  You did look in the mirror when you made that last response, right?  Just replace the dumpee with ..... pretty much anyone not a Democrat.  But don't worry, we won't ignore you or your sillieness
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« Reply #11 on: June 13, 2008, 02:27:27 PM »
No, I expect someone who wants to be my president to demonstrate significantly better judgement than to associate himself (much less embrace himself) with "obvious" racists, Anti-americans, & grossly unethical inidviduals.

You had to be laughing out loud when you typed that considering all the people that have been forced to resign from the Bush "administration" under threat of legal sanction, considering how many people have been forced to hide behind executive privilege and considering how many people have just plain broken laws in the current "administration".

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Re: Let the Piss Poor Judgement train continue
« Reply #12 on: June 13, 2008, 02:33:27 PM »
Can you say "speculate"?  I knew you could
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Re: Let the Piss Poor Judgement train continue
« Reply #13 on: June 13, 2008, 05:21:16 PM »
>>... considering all the people that have been forced to resign from the Bush "administration" under threat of legal sanction ... <<

All the people? Whom are you referring too?

>> considering how many people have been forced to hide behind executive privilege ... <<

Again, who are these people you're referring too?

>> ... and considering how many people have just plain broken laws in the current "administration".<<

Once agiain, who?

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« Reply #14 on: June 13, 2008, 05:48:59 PM »
I think Brass is referring to Scooter Libby.  At least that's the only 1 I can think of.  Found guilty in an investigation that found nothing that it was designed to find.  Oh, I take that back, it found the source of the "leak" was Armitage, and that at no time was Plame ever designated as covert, by the fella leading the investigation. 

It did find Scooter guilty of apparently not remembering what he wrote down, and saying something different to a Grand Jury, than what he had written down at another time.  That unethical bastard    ;)

As to the rest of this supposed laundry list, only Brass can answer that one
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