Manipulation or SOP?

[Amianthus]

Yeah, LBJ, JFK, RFK were all against civil rights. NOT!

When LBJ was in Congress, he voted against a number of civil rights bills.

Who filibustered the civil rights bill in 1964? - Democrats.

[sirs]

Who filibustered the civil rights bill in 1964? - Democrats.

OUCH

[kimba1]

I thought LBJ was known as the president to intro the most civil rights bills in history.
due to his family background.

[Amianthus]

I thought LBJ was known as the president to intro the most civil rights bills in history.
due to his family background.

LBJ killed the 1956 civil rights bill in Congress. He voted against a number of them as well.

[kimba1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyndon_johnson#Civil_rights


Civil rights
 
President Johnson signs the historic Civil Rights Act of 1964; (Martin Luther King stands just behind and slightly to the right of Johnson).In conjunction with the civil rights movement, Johnson overcame southern resistance and convinced Congress to pass the Civil Rights Act of 1964, which outlawed most forms of racial segregation. Johnson signed it into law on July 2, 1964. Legend has it that, as he put down his pen, Johnson told an aide, "We have lost the South for a generation," anticipating a coming backlash from Southern whites against Johnson's Democratic Party.[29] In 1965, he achieved passage of a second civil rights bill, the Voting Rights Act, that outlawed discrimination in voting, thus allowing millions of southern blacks to vote for the first time.

In 1967, Johnson nominated civil rights attorney Thurgood Marshall to be the first African American Associate Justice of the Supreme Court. After the murder of civil rights worker Viola Liuzzo, Johnson went on television to announce the arrest of four Ku Klux Klansmen implicated in her death. He angrily denounced the Klan as a "hooded society of bigots", and warned them to "return to a decent society before it's too late." He turned the themes of Christian redemption to push for civil rights, thereby mobilizing support from churches North and South.[30]

[kimba1]

opps

forgot to add LBJ didn`t give a damn about minorities.
It`s just that civil rights is actually intended to help his main constituants (farmers)
on paper it says it helps minorities but the true reason is another matter.

[Xavier_Onassis]

Oh, stop that.

There would have been no Civil Rights Bill without LBJ.
The Republicans had, what, 100 years to pass one.

This is as utterly stupid an argument as I have ever seen.

[Amianthus]

Oh, stop that.

There would have been no Civil Rights Bill without LBJ.
The Republicans had, what, 100 years to pass one.

This is as utterly stupid an argument as I have ever seen.

"The biggest obstacle to civil rights legislation in 1957 was the bloc of Southern Democrats led by Senator Richard Russell of Georgia. Southern senators had blocked every piece of civil rights legislation proposed since 1875."
http://www.answers.com/topic/civil-rights-act-of-1957?cat=biz-fin

[Amianthus]

Oh, stop that.

There would have been no Civil Rights Bill without LBJ.
The Republicans had, what, 100 years to pass one.

This is as utterly stupid an argument as I have ever seen.

"But the three Democrats, as they well knew, were working against the clock. Majority Leader Lyndon Johnson and Minority Leader Bill Knowland joined hands in the argument that too much legislation was backed up for the Senate to get bogged down in a long debate on civil rights. (And this was precisely the way that Southerners in the House had planned it as they stalled off a favorable House civil-rights vote?279 to 126?until early last week.)"
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,862288,00.html?promoid=googlep

[Amianthus]

Oh, stop that.

There would have been no Civil Rights Bill without LBJ.
The Republicans had, what, 100 years to pass one.

This is as utterly stupid an argument as I have ever seen.

"Caro goes into great detail showing all of Johnson's votes with the Southern Senators. They not only blocked civil rights bills, they also saw the passage of favorable legislation for the oil and gas industries. One of Johnson's first committee assignments was to chair a very important nomination hearing. Well, it was important to the oil & gas industry. In 1949, Truman re-nominated liberal Leland Olds to chair the Federal Power Commission, an entity which natural gas producers had pegged as their public enemy number one. In the 1940's the FPC had brought inexpensive power to many states, but industry was not happy with its regulations and price controls. Johnson asked, and received the chairmanship of the subcommittee which was to hold Old's nomination hearing. Caro details over three chapters how Johnson masterminded the entire process. The hearing - years before Borking became a common word - was carefully orchestrated as a negative spectacle alleging that Olds was a Communist. In this era of the House Unamerican Affairs Committee and the Alger Hiss trial, it was easy to convince the Senate to not approve the appointment. The conclusion to this episode was the Olds nomination failed. Johnson not only delighted the Texas oil industry, but more importantly it demonstrated to Senator Richard Russell that he would be a loyal soldier for the Southern cause."
http://texana.texascooking.com/books/lbjmasterofthesenate.htm

[Amianthus]

Oh, stop that.

There would have been no Civil Rights Bill without LBJ.
The Republicans had, what, 100 years to pass one.

This is as utterly stupid an argument as I have ever seen.

"Not remembered much in current history textbooks or the media of today, was that in the 1920s Republicans proposed anti-lynching legislation, reflecting back to Civil War times when Democrats, including founders of the KKK, had been involved in this horrific act. The legislation passed the House, an opposition speech was given by a Democrat Congressman from Texas named Lyndon B. Johnson, but was killed by the Democrat-controlled Senate. Finally in 1939 it passed the Senate.

LBJ and the Southern wing of the Democratic Party persisted in supporting anti-black positions. Consider, as LBJ's term neared:

 - In 1956, Democrats expressed their opposition to the desegregation decision of Brown v. Board of Education in the "Southern Manifesto." One hundred members of Congress, all Democrats, signed the manifesto.

 - In 1957, REPUBLICAN President Eisenhower authored a Civil Rights Bill, hoping to repair the damage done to blacks and their civil rights by Democrats for nearly a century. Passage of the bill was blocked by Senate Democrats.

 - In 1959, Eisenhower authored a Voting Rights Bill, again, in an effort to undo the disenfranchisement of blacks by Democrats through poll taxes, literacy tests, and threats of violence by the KKK. And once again, passage of the bill is blocked by Senate Democrats."
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/02/americas_three_worst_president.html

[sirs]

Yea....but that LBJ.....Couldn't have passed Civil Rights Legislation without him       


 

[fatman]

I've always thought that a lot of credit was denied to Eisenhower on civil rights.  He was the one to federalize the national guard to admit students in support of the Court decision and threatened to lead the attack personally if states decided to rebel.  And yet a lot of this goes unknown.

The Civil Rights Act of 1964 couldn't have passed without the help of a lot of moderates on both sides of the aisle.  Dirksen stands out in my memory for that.