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Lanya

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Rewrite the evidence
« on: June 20, 2008, 11:42:10 PM »


APNewsBreak: US asks to rewrite detainee evidence

APNewsBreak: US asks to rewrite evidence against Guantanamo detainees ahead of court review

MATT APUZZO
AP News

Jun 20, 2008 12:49 EST

The Bush administration wants to rewrite the official evidence against Guantanamo Bay detainees, allowing it to shore up its cases before they come under scrutiny by civilian judges for the first time.

The government has stood behind the evidence for years. Military review boards relied on it to justify holding hundreds of prisoners indefinitely without charge. Justice Department attorneys said it was thoroughly and fairly reviewed.

Now that federal judges are about to review the evidence, however, the government says it needs to make changes.

The decision follows last week's Supreme Court ruling, which held that detainees have the right to challenge their detention in civilian court, not just before secret military panels. At a closed-door meeting with judges and defense attorneys this week, government lawyers said they needed time to add new evidence and make other changes to evidentiary documents known as "factual returns."

Attorneys for the detainees criticized the idea, saying the government is basically asking for a last-minute do-over.

"It's sort of an admission that the original returns were defective," said attorney David Remes, who represents many detainees and attended Wednesday's meeting. "It's also an admission that the government thinks it needs to beef up the evidence."

Justice Department spokesman Erik Ablin declined to comment on the plan. The discussions were confirmed by several attorneys and officials who attended or were briefed on the meeting with the judges and defense lawyers.

"It's a totally fishy maneuver that suggests that the government wants, at the 11th hour, to get its ducks in a row," said Jonathan Hafetz, an attorney representing several detainees. He was briefed on the plan.

The documents include the government's accusations and summaries of the evidence that was presented to the military review panel. The records were filed in federal court in many detainee cases in 2004 and 2005, before Congress stripped those courts of the authority to hold hearings.

Detainees' attorneys who have reviewed the records criticized much of the evidence as hearsay cobbled together from bounty hunters and border guards who accused people of being terrorists in exchange for reward money.

At Guantanamo Bay, the traditional rules of evidence do not apply in trials run by the military. In a Washington federal courtroom, they would.

The government wants to submit new records, which would allow it to add new intelligence and expand its reasoning for holding the detainees. Since the hearings will decide whether the detainees are lawfully being held now ? not whether they were lawfully being held over the past several years ? the government wants to provide the court its newest, best evidence.

It will be up to federal judges to decide whether the Justice Department can rewrite those documents.

The question is part of a broader dispute over what the upcoming hearings will look like. Attorneys for the detainees want judges to review all the evidence and decide whether each prisoner should be released. The government believes the judges should look only at limited evidence prepared by officials at Guantanamo Bay.

That's why defense attorneys are troubled by the idea that authorities now want to rewrite that evidence. If the court limits arguments to just the government's record, and gives the government a chance to improve that record, they believe the detainees' chances will be hurt.

"They're not just talking about making a little supplement where they've learned something new," said attorney Charles H. Carpenter, who was in the meeting. "They're talking about possibly amending every single one."

Source: AP News
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/2008/06/us_asks_to_rewrite_detainee_ev.php
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Re: Rewrite the evidence
« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2008, 11:46:16 PM »
Just a thought but different courts have different standards and requirements.

I would take the defense spin with a grain of salt.


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Re: Rewrite the evidence
« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2008, 07:13:11 AM »
Just a thought but different courts have different standards and requirements.
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Sure, a kangaroo court where hearsay evidence is used, testimony extracted by torture is admitted, and the accused have no access to the source of classified evidence used against them might differ from a real court, with cross examination and a presumption of innocence.

The goal of every court should be justice.
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I would take the defense spin with a grain of salt.
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I would take everything said by both the defense and the prosecution with many grains of salt. That is how justice is determined.

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Re: Rewrite the evidence
« Reply #3 on: June 21, 2008, 01:31:07 PM »
<<Now that federal judges are about to review the evidence, however, the government says it needs to make changes.>>

I think it's hilarious.  There seem to be no limits to how far the Bush administration will go in humiliating and embarrassing America in the eyes of the world.  Tackier than this is hard to imagine, but . . . will the judges come to court in clown suits and honk little horns in lieu of gavelling?

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Re: Rewrite the evidence
« Reply #4 on: June 21, 2008, 02:26:04 PM »
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I would take everything said by both the defense and the prosecution with many grains of salt. That is how justice is determined.
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Yeah, i agree the column seemed one sided.

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Re: Rewrite the evidence
« Reply #5 on: June 21, 2008, 05:36:08 PM »
There probly isnt any way to make the evidence better.

But the diffrent Court will be much less secure , the names of informants and infiltrators will have to be removed from the evidence elese we loose that resorce quickly.


The evidence that remains might be less convinceing than it was but safer to the hidden we need to stay hidden.

If this causes a seriously dangerous guy to return to the fight , we can be sanguine in the fact that he is more likely to die that way than any other.