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Narrow Interview
« on: June 22, 2008, 10:01:45 AM »
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This from Major General Buckman (Ret.)

My niece, Katelyn, stationed at Baluud , Iraq was assigned, with others of her detachment, to be an escort/guard for Martha Raddatz of ABC News as she covered John McCain's recent trip to Iraq.  Katelyn and her Captain stood directly behind Raddatz as she queried GI's walking past.  They kept count of the GI's and you should remember these numbers.  She asked 60 GI's who they planned to vote for in November.  54 said John McCain, 4 said Obama and 2 said Hillary.  Katelyn called home and told her Mom and Dad to watch ABC news the next night because she was standing directly behind Raddatz and maybe they'd see her on TV. Mom and Dad of course, called and emailed all the kinfolk to watch the newscast and maybe see Katelyn.  Well, of course, we all watched and what we saw wasn't a glimpse of Katelyn, but got a hell'uva view of skewed news!  After a dissertation on McCain's trip and speech, ABC showed 5 GI's being asked by Raddatz how they were going to vote in November; 3 for Obama and 2 for Clinton.  Not one mention of the 54 for McCain!

On 7 April 2008, ABC News aired a report about how closely U.S. military personnel stationed in Iraq and Afghanistan are following the current U.S. presidential campaigns.  The segment featured reporter Martha Raddatz questioning service members in Iraq about what issues were important to them and which candidates they were supporting.  In June 2008 the above-quoted e-mail account began circulating, claiming that Raddatz had interviewed some 60 soldiers in Iraq, 54 of whom expressed a preference for the Republican presidential candidate, Senator John McCain -- but none of those 54 interviews was used in the aired segment, which instead featured 5 different interviewees expressing a preference for one of the two Democratic candidates, Senators Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton.

As for what material actually made it into the finished segment, the e-mail is largely true, although it's a tiny bit off in claiming that there was "not one mention of the 54 [soldiers] for McCain": The beginning of the aired segment included six brief interviews with soldiers, three of whom expressed a preference for Barack Obama, two for Hillary Clinton, and one for John McCain. 

As to the question of whether Martha Raddatz really interviewed 60 service members in Iraq and found 54 of them to be John McCain supporters, that's difficult to independently verify without access to outtakes (or to someone who has viewed them).  It's probably fair to say, though, that any random, representative sampling of U.S. military personnel in Iraq would find a much higher proportion of support for John McCain (over either of the two leading Democratic candidates) than one in six!

Whether this segment reveals some deliberate agenda on the part of ABC to mispresent the political preferences of U.S. military personnel is an argumentative and subjective issue.  One the one hand, one side claims that the ABC report wasn't supposed to be a representative sampling of party preferences; it was supposed to illustrate that American troops are following the presidential campaign closely and evaluating candidates based on their positions on all the issues, not just the war in Iraq.  Hence, the preponderance of interviews showing soldiers who were not (as many might expect) reflexively endorsing the Republican candidate, John McCain, even though he would almost certainly be more supportive of continuing their current mission than either of the Democrats.

On the other hand, critics maintain that by showing only one soldier's expressing a preference for the Republican candidate (prefaced by a laconic Martha Raddatz voice-over intoning, "there were some McCain backers ..."), by separating the portion of the report in which soldiers discussed their candidate preferences from the portion in which they discussed what issues (other than the war) were important to them, and by identifying the report with titles such as "Whom Are Our Troops Endorsing?" and "Surprising Political Endorsements by U.S. Troops," ABC News presented the piece as being a survey of American troops' presidential preferences while offering viewers a distinctly skewed perspective of those preferences.

Based on the wide circulation of the original e-mail and the flood of (mostly negative) comments about this report that have been posted to ABC's web site, we expect that ABC News and/or Martha Raddatz will be offering some insight into this now-controversial segment in the near future.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/raddatz.asp
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Re: Narrow Interview
« Reply #1 on: June 24, 2008, 10:09:48 AM »
If you go to the Snopes website and view the 'Narrow Interview' article there, there is a rebuttal by Raddatz near the bottom of the piece that does not show up in Ami's post.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/raddatz.asp

Last updated 21 June, which leads me to wonder how it was missed in Ami's post on 22 June.
« Last Edit: June 24, 2008, 10:18:11 AM by hnumpah »
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Re: Narrow Interview
« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2008, 10:37:43 AM »
Last updated 21 June, which leads me to wonder how it was missed in Ami's post on 22 June.

I copied the entire article available at the time I made my post.

The "last updated" date might be the day it was updated on their main database, but the external view might have not have been updated until later.

If I was trying to hide something, I hardly would have put a link to what I was trying hide on my post, would I? Or do you think I'm that stupid?
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Re: Narrow Interview
« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2008, 10:58:50 AM »
It's a bunch of bullslhit.  The tip-off is "Major-General Buckman (Ret.) - - no first name, no initials, no hometown.  I smelled a rat right away.  As Radatz' rebuttal (my copy function doesn't work on that page) indicates, she interviewed "barely over a dozen" soldiers in all.  Even more elusive than MG Buckman (Ret.) is his "niece Katelyn" (no last name, no hometown) who "counted" all the intervals.

It's also interesting that as Radatz noted, everyone who forwarded the e-mail, and there were hundreds of them, claimed to be a "close friend" of "MG Buckman (Ret.)"  Popular guy, eh?

Hilarious.

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Re: Narrow Interview
« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2008, 12:14:57 PM »
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If I was trying to hide something, I hardly would have put a link to what I was trying hide on my post, would I? Or do you think I'm that stupid?

No, I don't think you're stupid, nor even trying to hide anything. I was just curious.
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Re: Narrow Interview
« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2008, 08:12:34 PM »
I don't know how to prove it is true or false.

I notice though that a lot of people find it plausable, lots of people think it possible or likely that a major news outlet would manipulate the news.

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Re: Narrow Interview
« Reply #6 on: June 25, 2008, 12:10:45 AM »
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I notice though that a lot of people find it plausable, lots of people think it possible or likely that a major news outlet would manipulate the news.

Of course - the same ones that would say any dems raising a ruckus about a similar situation with Obama were overreacting.
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Re: Narrow Interview
« Reply #7 on: June 25, 2008, 06:37:03 PM »
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I notice though that a lot of people find it plausable, lots of people think it possible or likely that a major news outlet would manipulate the news.

Of course - the same ones that would say any dems raising a ruckus about a similar situation with Obama were overreacting.

Quite.

Has this happened?

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Re: Narrow Interview
« Reply #8 on: June 25, 2008, 10:51:37 PM »
In my ward (which is how we Mormons say "congregation") I have several soldiers who have been or are just about to go to the conflicts in Iraq or Afghanistan.  One of them was in a HMMWV that hit an IED.  He nearly died.  The three soldiers with him went on past nearly.  Watching three of his subordinates and friends die and almost dying himself didn't sour him on the war.  What angered him was the media coverage he saw when he got home.  He couldn't believe how what he saw in Iraq differed from what he saw on the news.

I also have a young Lieutenant who just shipped out for Iraq.  Before he left, he told us of how the members of his unit (they are Cavalry) were angered in the early stages of the war.  They were in Afghanistan and rsn into a hot battle.  In the course of the battle over 400 Taliban soldiers were killed and many wounded.  The Cav unit lost two.  Thats T-W-O.  Not 200.  2.  But lots of the soldiers were wounded.  Most of them were what he called "John Kerry" wounds. (His words, not mine.)  A few were seriously injured but the majority got scratches. As he put it, "Purple Hearts were flying all over the place, but nobody really got hurt."   The reason the troops were so pissed?  The media reported that the unit had taken "60% casualties."   That sounds like a decimated unit (times six, if you want to be a word nerd).  In fact, the vast majority of the "casualties" were back to duty after getting patched up.  This was a serious point of honor to the Cav troops (as it would be).  Not only were they angry about the media distortion.  They felt like a big victory for them had been portrayed as a stunning defeat. 

I imagine that's how the troops that defeated the VC in the Tet offensive felt.  What the hell battle was Cronkite and company watching anyway?  But that myth has endured for a generation. 

As for snopes, I generally trust them, but I have known them to be wrong.  I watched a news report early in the war - I saw this with my own eyes - where a reporter brokoe down and cried because several Marines were given a short opportunity to call home and decided to call the family of a fallen comrade instead of their own familes.  Again, I personally saw it.  A few months later, snopes claimed it never happened.  It may be because a specific reporter was mentioned in the snopes "rebuttal" and the reporter who actually did the story was a different one.  But since I couldn't remember who it was or what network it was on, what could I do?  Still, no place is perfect, and snopes is a great source.  But their word, while reasonably credible, is not gospel.  The main stream media, by contrast, is hardly credible and only occasionally accurate.
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Re: Narrow Interview
« Reply #9 on: June 26, 2008, 11:09:48 AM »
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As for snopes, I generally trust them, but I have known them to be wrong.  I watched a news report early in the war - I saw this with my own eyes - where a reporter brokoe down and cried because several Marines were given a short opportunity to call home and decided to call the family of a fallen comrade instead of their own familes.  Again, I personally saw it.  A few months later, snopes claimed it never happened.  It may be because a specific reporter was mentioned in the snopes "rebuttal" and the reporter who actually did the story was a different one.  But since I couldn't remember who it was or what network it was on, what could I do?  Still, no place is perfect, and snopes is a great source.  But their word, while reasonably credible, is not gospel.  The main stream media, by contrast, is hardly credible and only occasionally accurate.

The url for that piece is http://www.snopes.com/glurge/savidge.asp

Not only Snopes but CNN, the network reported to have been the source for the story, have denied it. The reporter's dispatches for that day do not mention it. People may have confused it with something they saw (or heard about) somewhere else, but the version Snopes has as showing up on the internet in 2003 is apparently untrue.
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