I'm giving him a B or maybe even a B-

[Michael Tee]

<<And who massacred who ?>>

Cheating doesn't count.  Next time Obama won't let him get away with it.

[Plane]

<<And who massacred who ?>>

Cheating doesn't count.  Next time Obama won't let him get away with it.

Right , he won't come anywhere near a real debate if he can avoid it .

I think he knows that McCain is a better thinker on his feet , so we will not likely see him keep this promise.

If we do , then we will see a lot of "he cheated " whineing

[Michael Tee]

<<I think he knows that McCain is a better thinker on his feet , so we will not likely see him keep this promise>>

If Obama is way ahead in the polls, it would be very stupid for him to debate anyone, regardless of how good or bad a debater that person is.  If it's too close to call, or Obama is behind, a debate might be in order.  I never got the impression that you did, that McCain "thinks better" than Obama does on his feet.  I think it's true that Obama tends to give more thoughtful, nuanced answers and McCain tends to give glib sound-bites.  "We'll defeat it [evil]" being one of the best examples I can think of from the Saddleback debates, which were in a format designed to facilitate cheating.  Well, you know the old adage, "Fool me once . . ."  Obama will insist on very tight anti-cheating precautions next time he debates that little weasel, that's for sure.

<<If we do , then we will see a lot of "he cheated " whineing>>

Sorry, plane, but it ain't whining if the other guy really cheated.  And I believe that "Pastor Rick" was in on it.  That's probably the real reason Obama people want to soft-pedal it.  I think in the real world, you don't get anywhere attacking a preacher, any preacher.  It usually turns out to be a very counter-productive exercise.  You won't hear "whining" - - as you are pleased to call it - - following a debate ever again in this election, because Obama won't let it happen again, and even if it does, against all precautions, Obama himself would hush it up so as not to look like a sucker.  People don't like to elect suckers as leaders.  And I was, in fact, more pissed off at Obama than at McCain over this; Obama should have known better, knowing that Republicans cheat, and been ready for it.

Of course, if there should be another debate, I expect Obama to win handily, and I also expect all the whining in the world from the McCain camp.

[Michael Tee]

<<Oh please mr O cut our huge defense spending down to the level at which all the rest of the world will be approveing.>>

That's a ridiculous way to put it.  Nobody but you mentioned the world's approval.  Getting back to the real world again, the real demand is:

Cut it down to the level which is appropriate to the actual threats faced, so we can fix health care and education and housing right here at home, even though those objectives are not even on McCain's radar screen and even though it may displease certain gigantic "defence" contractors, fascists and militarists who support McCain and his party in various ways.

Too bad Obama doesn't have the guts to say it.  The more I think about this, the more I realize the better candidate would have been the Rev. Jeremiah Wright.

[Plane]

<<Oh please mr O cut our huge defense spending down to the level at which all the rest of the world will be approveing.>>

That's a ridiculous way to put it.  Nobody but you mentioned the world's approval.  Getting back to the real world again, the real demand is:

Cut it down to the level which is appropriate to the actual threats faced, so we can fix health care and education and housing right here at home, even though those objectives are not even on McCain's radar screen and even though it may displease certain gigantic "defence" contractors, fascists and militarists who support McCain and his party in various ways.

Too bad Obama doesn't have the guts to say it.  The more I think about this, the more I realize the better candidate would have been the Rev. Jeremiah Wright.

Obama campaigned in Europe , it is fair to post reminders of this.

[Michael Tee]

<<Obama campaigned in Europe , it is fair to post reminders of this.>>

That was no campaign since the people whom he visited could not vote for him.  It was a combination fact-finding and get-acquainted tour.

But call it what you will - - at what point in his "campaign in Europe" did he ask for European approval of the size of the U.S. military?  This is just one more fictional product of your over-heated conservative brain.  It never happened, and I think you know that.

[Plane]

<<Obama campaigned in Europe , it is fair to post reminders of this.>>

That was no campaign since the people whom he visited could not vote for him.  It was a combination fact-finding and get-acquainted tour.

But call it what you will - - at what point in his "campaign in Europe" did he ask for European approval of the size of the U.S. military?  This is just one more fictional product of your over-heated conservative brain.  It never happened, and I think you know that.

Perhaps I am mistaken then.

What in yuor opinion will BHO do with the US military budget?

I know the president doesn't make it up by himself , but he is very influential , and the Congress might be the same party.

[Plane]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/29/the-daily-shows-obama-bio_n_122350.html


Funny

[Michael Tee]

<<What in yuor opinion will BHO do with the US military budget?>>

Well, if he's serious about going after al Qaeda in Afghanistan or Pakistan, he'll probably increase it.  He sure as hell won't be able to sneak quietly out of Iraq.

[sirs]

I think it's true that Obama tends to give more thoughtful, nuanced answers and McCain tends to give glib sound-bites.  

Washing that thru the lib-unspinzter cycle, we have Obama well anwer in the most vague verbosity possible to attempt to offend the least amount of voters, McCain will generally tell you what he believes, and you can take it or leave it

[Michael Tee]

I think it's true that Obama tends to give more thoughtful, nuanced answers and McCain tends to give glib sound-bites. 

<<Washing that thru the lib-unspinzter cycle, we have Obama well anwer in the most vague verbosity possible to attempt to offend the least amount of voters>>

Thanks for your opinion as to why Obama says what he says.  But if we limit ourselves to what we can actually SEE AND HEAR, it's pretty clear that, as I said in the first place, Obama's answers are more thoughtful and nuanced and McCain's are usually glib sound-bites.

I know YOUR opinion on why Obama's answers are more thoughtful and nuanced, and now here's mine:  it's because he's more intelligent and honest than McCain, who's just mugging for the cameras, and because he really understands the issues much better than McCain, who often doesn't understand them at all.

<<McCain will generally tell you what he believes, and you can take it or leave it>>

Yeah, I guess the problem is that McCain doesn't seem to know from one day to the next what he believes.  One day the religious right are divisive "agents of intolerance," the next he is chasing them with a gigantic hard-on right up to their pulpits; one day he wants the "President" to ban torture absolutely, the next he figures America can live with it; one day "experience" in military matters is so vital that Obama simply can't be President, the next it's so trivial that even Sarah Palin will be able to get the hang of it, if necessary in days or weeks.  That's why you CAN'T "take it or leave it."  Nobody knows what to take or what to leave.  The guy has two positions on everything.

[sirs]

I think it's true that Obama tends to give more thoughtful, nuanced answers and McCain tends to give glib sound-bites. 

<<Washing that thru the lib-unspinzter cycle, we have Obama well anwer in the most vague verbosity possible to attempt to offend the least amount of voters>>

Thanks for your opinion as to why Obama says what he says.  But if we limit ourselves to what we can actually SEE AND HEAR, it's pretty clear that..

LOL....it's pretty clear how he's trying to offend the least amount of people as possible.  Above his pay grade??  Good gravy, it doesn't get any more transparent than that, from someone who wants to make the command decisions for this country.  Everyone watching, saw that.  Everyone listening, heard that.

[Plane]

I think it's true that Obama tends to give more thoughtful, nuanced answers and McCain tends to give glib sound-bites. 

This is the Uninted States he is running in , this is where the Bumper sticker was invented earlyer than the Auto to put it on.

Do you see which style is more advantaged?

[Michael Tee]

<<Do you see which style is more advantaged?>>

Yeah.  But still I give the American people more credit.  I don't think they're really gonna decide this one on bumper-sticker slogans.  At least not the people Obama brought into the political process, the ones who aren't brain-dead of cynicism.

[Plane]

<<Do you see which style is more advantaged?>>

Yeah.  But still I give the American people more credit.  I don't think they're really gonna decide this one on bumper-sticker slogans.  At least not the people Obama brought into the political process, the ones who aren't brain-dead of cynicism.

But still I give the American people more credit.

 

Hehehehehe , ....
not often you don't.

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