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Alberto Gonzales Abused Federal Docs
« on: September 03, 2008, 10:11:49 AM »
And still no great gnashing of teeth from the right...Guess its only inappropriate or dire when Sandy Berger does it.

A new Department of Justice inspector general report released today found that former Attorney General Alberto Gonzales improperly handled secret information regarding the government’s most sensitive national security programs. DOJ officials have reportedly looked at the report “but did not find a case to prosecute.”

But Gonzales may have done more than just “improperly handle” classified national security documents. CQ’s Spy Talk blog reports that there is “strong evidence” in the report “that the former attorney general lied to federal investigators probing his careless handling of highly classified documents.”

According to the IG report, Gonzales told investigators that he did not know that documents he handled relating to the Bush administration’s warrantless wiretapping program were classified:

    Gonzales said that he was unaware of the classification level and compartmented nature of the NSA program he referenced in the notes. Gonzales also stated he did not recall thinking that the notes themselves were classified.

Yet the report also says that an envelope containing the documents were marked “top secret” by Alberto Gonzales himself:

    The envelope containing documents related to the NSA surveillance program bore the handwritten markings, “TOP SECRET - EYES ONLY - ARG” [the attorney general’s initials] followed by an abbreviation for the SCI codeword for the program.

House Judiciary Committee chairman John Conyers (D-MI) said it is “shocking” that Gonzales mishandled the documents, adding that the “department ought to explain clearly why it declined to pursue charges against Mr. Gonzales and what actions it intends to take in response to the report.”

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/02/gonzales-report-perjury/

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Re: Alberto Gonzales Abused Federal Docs
« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2008, 12:22:16 PM »
When he's caught sneaking them out of the Federal Archives, we'll raise a stink. This was just a case of his taking stuff from his desk home with him.
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Re: Alberto Gonzales Abused Federal Docs
« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2008, 12:24:07 PM »
And still no great gnashing of teeth from the right...Guess its only inappropriate or dire when Sandy Berger does it.

A new Department of Justice inspector general report released today found that former Attorney General Alberto Gonzales improperly handled secret information regarding the government’s most sensitive national security programs. DOJ officials have reportedly looked at the report “but did not find a case to prosecute.”

But Gonzales may have done more than just “improperly handle” classified national security documents. CQ’s Spy Talk blog reports that there is “strong evidence” in the report “that the former attorney general lied to federal investigators probing his careless handling of highly classified documents.”

According to the IG report, Gonzales told investigators that he did not know that documents he handled relating to the Bush administration’s warrantless wiretapping program were classified:

    Gonzales said that he was unaware of the classification level and compartmented nature of the NSA program he referenced in the notes. Gonzales also stated he did not recall thinking that the notes themselves were classified.

Yet the report also says that an envelope containing the documents were marked “top secret” by Alberto Gonzales himself:

    The envelope containing documents related to the NSA surveillance program bore the handwritten markings, “TOP SECRET - EYES ONLY - ARG” [the attorney general’s initials] followed by an abbreviation for the SCI codeword for the program.

House Judiciary Committee chairman John Conyers (D-MI) said it is “shocking” that Gonzales mishandled the documents, adding that the “department ought to explain clearly why it declined to pursue charges against Mr. Gonzales and what actions it intends to take in response to the report.”

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/02/gonzales-report-perjury/


Does Sandy Berger ring a bell?

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Re: Alberto Gonzales Abused Federal Docs
« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2008, 01:58:12 PM »
When he's caught sneaking them out of the Federal Archives, we'll raise a stink. This was just a case of his taking stuff from his desk home with him.

Oh, no biggie then.  Just a breach of federal security.  Guess it's no big deal when a Republican does it.


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Re: Alberto Gonzales Abused Federal Docs
« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2008, 02:10:06 PM »
Oh, no biggie then.  Just a breach of federal security.  Guess it's no big deal when a Republican does it.

There is a difference in the two cases. Perhaps it's too far over your head.
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Re: Alberto Gonzales Abused Federal Docs
« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2008, 02:24:31 PM »
Oh, no biggie then.  Just a breach of federal security.  Guess it's no big deal when a Republican does it.

There is a difference in the two cases. Perhaps it's too far over your head.


Both are breaches of security?  Correct?

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Re: Alberto Gonzales Abused Federal Docs
« Reply #6 on: September 03, 2008, 02:26:01 PM »
Oh, no biggie then.  Just a breach of federal security.  Guess it's no big deal when a Republican does it.

There is a difference in the two cases. Perhaps it's too far over your head.


Both are breaches of security?  Correct?

No wonder you claim to be poor. You aren't very bright.

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Re: Alberto Gonzales Abused Federal Docs
« Reply #7 on: September 03, 2008, 02:58:43 PM »
Both are breaches of security?  Correct?

One is a minor breech of security involving documents the person is entitled to possess, the other is a breach of security during a theft of documents the person is not entitled to possess.

Are you telling me you don't see a difference?
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Re: Alberto Gonzales Abused Federal Docs
« Reply #8 on: September 03, 2008, 04:33:45 PM »
Both are breaches of security?  Correct?

One is a minor breech of security involving documents the person is entitled to possess, the other is a breach of security during a theft of documents the person is not entitled to possess.

Are you telling me you don't see a difference?

Oh yes, I can definitely see the difference.

When the republican does it, it is a "minor breech [sic] of security" but when the dem does it, it is a "breach of security during a theft".

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Re: Alberto Gonzales Abused Federal Docs
« Reply #9 on: September 03, 2008, 04:56:48 PM »
Both are breaches of security?  Correct?

One is a minor breech of security involving documents the person is entitled to possess, the other is a breach of security during a theft of documents the person is not entitled to possess.

Are you telling me you don't see a difference?

Oh yes, I can definitely see the difference.

When the republican does it, it is a "minor breech [sic] of security" but when the dem does it, it is a "breach of security during a theft".

Only a moron would continue such a weak argument. Is this all you have?

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Re: Alberto Gonzales Abused Federal Docs
« Reply #10 on: September 03, 2008, 05:57:43 PM »
I wonder if his punishnment will be as harsh as Sandy Burgers's punishment has been?

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Re: Alberto Gonzales Abused Federal Docs
« Reply #11 on: September 03, 2008, 05:59:59 PM »
Oh yes, I can definitely see the difference.

When the republican does it, it is a "minor breech [sic] of security" but when the dem does it, it is a "breach of security during a theft".

It's got nothing to do with the party, it's got everything to do with the situation. Sandy Berger hid documents in his socks (and probably elsewhere) and snuck them out of the archives, and didn't return them until police showed up at his house looking for them. Gonzales put some documents from his desk into his briefcase, and brought them back the next day. Only a moron would think they are the same situation.
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Re: Alberto Gonzales Abused Federal Docs
« Reply #12 on: September 03, 2008, 06:26:17 PM »
Oh yes, I can definitely see the difference.

When the republican does it, it is a "minor breech [sic] of security" but when the dem does it, it is a "breach of security during a theft".

It's got nothing to do with the party, it's got everything to do with the situation. Sandy Berger hid documents in his socks (and probably elsewhere) and snuck them out of the archives, and didn't return them until police showed up at his house looking for them. Gonzales put some documents from his desk into his briefcase, and brought them back the next day. Only a moron would think they are the same situation.

Love the double-standard buddy.  Make claims and insinuations about the bad guy and cover up and explain away the good guy.

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Re: Alberto Gonzales Abused Federal Docs
« Reply #13 on: September 03, 2008, 06:44:10 PM »
Love the double-standard buddy.  Make claims and insinuations about the bad guy and cover up and explain away the good guy.

Just reporting what was published by the main stream media. That's where the "Berger sneaking docs out in his socks" came from. Sorry that you ignored the story.
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Re: Alberto Gonzales Abused Federal Docs
« Reply #14 on: September 03, 2008, 09:44:40 PM »
come on amianthus
we both know jaywalking & arson are against the law
so hey, it's gotta be the same right? ::)
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