<<Ed Atterbury was beaten to death in frount of John Dramesi.
<<Lance Sijan was beaten to death with Bob Cramer and Guy Gruters as witnesses.>>
Where does this information come from? What's the source?
<<You are mistaken to consider McCain boastfull of his endurance , he knew of many who were treated worse and says so in his book , you are makeing the mistake of responding to the second hand accounts that either maximise or minimise diffrently than McCain himself.>>
No, I'm not mistaken, the man never shuts up about it, it's the high point of his miserable existence. You can bet that for every word I've ever heard about the suffering of his victims, I've heard ten thousand times as much about McCain's purported "sufferings" and "tortures" and those of his fellow war criminals.
<<Does special treatment mean any medical treatment at all?>>
Special treatment means he was sent to the best hospital in Hanoi at the time and attended by their doctors. It's too bad his victims never had the equivalent and died in agony from their burns.
<<McCain seems to have gotten treatment because of the Class conchousness of the Vietnameese , they began to give him some very basic medical treatment after they realised he was from a family prominent in the military>>
What might be "very basic" to you was the best available for them. And a lot more than he deserved, IMHO.
<< , they seemed willing to allow him to die completely untended before this.>>
Cry me a river. Did you ever stop to consider the world would be a much better place with a few less war criminals taking up its air and space?
<<Have you noticed that you have two standards for prisoner treatment? >>
Actually, I've got three. The first is what I myself would do if God forbid one of my own children were burned alive in napalm and the guy that did it ever had the misfortune to fall into my hands, the second is how the victims of aggression should treat captured enemy war criminals and the third is how aggressors should treat their captured victims.
<< Prisoners of Americans are submitted to outrages , but Americans who are Prisoners don't even deserve it if they get first aid.>>
Sure they deserve first aid. I like to vent, but there's a point to my venting - - I'd like you to realize that as Americans, you have absolutely no moral right to point a condemnatory finger at anyone who has mistreated your prisoners because you yourselves are guilty of much, much worse. So, a little humility if you don't mind. I hear lots of indignation about the mistreatment of John McCain, I hear almost no recognition of the fact that America invaded Viet Nam in 1965, conducted an illegal and unprovoked war of aggression against the Vietnamese people in the course of which 2 million Vietnamese were killed, many of them women and children, dying agonizing horrible deaths in burning napalm and white phosphorus, and 60,000 civilian infrastructure were tortured to death in the infamous Phoenix program of the CIA.
Of course, McCain and his fellow POWS should still have been treated as per the Fourth Geneva Convention, but they weren't and of course it's not right - - but how does it happen that all of the moral indignation that America is capable of is focused on the Vietnamese and none on the misdeeds of America itself? How is it that a participant in that horrible slaughter is able to return home, pose not as the war criminal that he is, but as a victim and then has the God-damn fucking gall to run for the Presidency of his country with the blood of thousands of Vietnamese dripping from his fingers? This is a guy who by any civilized principle ought to be in a cell on Death Row waiting for the noose to slip over his ears and instead he's running for PRESIDENT? ? ? What is wrong with this picture?
