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Obama Waited and Came Back With Realities
« on: September 23, 2008, 07:41:02 PM »
  Senator Obama’s Plan To Protect Taxpayers and Homeowners
   Tuesday, September 23, 2008
   Tampa, Florida

   Yesterday, the President said that Congress should pass his proposal to ease the crisis on Wall Street without significant changes or improvements.

   Now, there are many to blame for causing the current crisis, starting with the speculators who gamed the system and the regulators who looked the other way. But all of us now have a stake in solving it and saving our financial institutions from collapse. Because if we don’t, the jobs and life savings of millions will be put at risk.

   Given that fact, the President’s stubborn inflexibility is both unacceptable and disturbingly familiar. This is not the time for my-way-or-the-highway intransigence from anyone involved. It’s not the time for fear or panic. It’s the time for resolve, responsibility, and reasonableness.

   And it is wholly unreasonable to expect that American taxpayers would or should hand this Administration or any Administration a $700 billion blank check with absolutely no oversight or conditions when a lack of oversight in Washington and on Wall Street is exactly what got us into this mess.

   Now that the American people are being called upon to finance this solution, the American people have the right to certain protections and assurances from Washington.

   First, the plan must include protections to ensure that taxpayer dollars are not used to further reward the bad behavior of irresponsible CEOs on Wall Street. There has been talk that some CEOs may refuse to cooperate with this plan if they have to forgo multi-million-dollar salaries. I cannot imagine a position more selfish and greedy at a time of national crisis. And I would like to speak directly to those CEOs right now: Do not make that mistake. You are stewards for workers and communities all across our country who have put their trust in you. With the enormous rewards you have reaped come responsibilities, and we expect and demand that you to live up to them. This plan cannot be a welfare program for Wall Street executives.

   Second, the power to spend $700 billion of taxpayer money cannot be left to the discretion of one man, no matter who he is or which party he is from. I have great respect for Secretary Paulson, but he cannot act alone. We should set up an independent board that includes some of the most respected figures in our country, chosen by Democrats and Republicans, to provide oversight and accountability at every step of the way. I am heartened that Secretary Paulson appeared to be softening on this position in his testimony this morning.

   Third, if taxpayers are being asked to underwrite hundreds of billions of dollars to solve this crisis, they must be treated like investors. The American people should share in the upside as Wall Street recovers. There are different ways to accomplish this, including putting equity into these firms instead of buying their troubled assets.

   But regardless of how we structure the plan, if the government makes any kind of profit on this deal, we must give every penny back to the taxpayers who put up the money in the first place. And after the economy recovers, we should institute a Financial Stability Fee on the entire financial services industry to repay any losses to the American people and make sure we are never asked to foot the bill for Wall Street’s mistakes again. We can ask taxpayers to make an investment in the stability of our economy, but we cannot ask them to hand their money over to Wall Street without some expectation of return.

   Fourth, the final plan must provide help to families who are struggling to stay in their homes. We cannot simply bailout Wall Street without helping the millions of innocent homeowners who are facing foreclosure.

   There are a number of ways we can accomplish this. For example, we should consider giving the government the authority to purchase mortgages directly instead of simply mortgage-backed securities. In the past, such an approach has allowed taxpayers to profit as the housing market recovered. This is not simply a question of looking after homeowners, it’s doubtful that the economy as a whole can recover without the restoration of our housing sector, including a rebound in the home values that have suffered dramatically in recent months.

   Finally, the American people need to know that we feel as great a sense of urgency about the emergency on Main Street as we do about the emergency on Wall Street. I have repeatedly called on President Bush and Senator McCain to join me in supporting an economic stimulus plan for working families – a plan that would help folks cope with rising food and gas prices, save one million jobs by rebuilding our schools and roads, help states and cities avoid painful budget cuts and tax increases, and help homeowners stay in their homes.

   Let me be clear – we shouldn’t include this stimulus package into this particular legislation, but as we solve the immediate crisis on Wall Street, we should move with the same sense of urgency to help Main Street.

   It is absolutely wrong to suggest that we cannot protect American taxpayers while still stabilizing our market and saving our financial system from collapse. We can and must do both.

   In summary, there is no doubt negotiations over the next few days will be difficult. I will continue to keep in close touch with Secretary Paulson, Chairman Bernanke, and the leaders of Congress to ensure that we can work in a bipartisan manner to get this done as quickly as possible. Our country is being tested by a very serious crisis. We are all in this together, and we must come together as Democrats and Republicans, on Wall Street and on Main Street to solve it. And with the proper spirit of cooperation, I know we can.

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Re: Obama Waited and Came Back With Realities
« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2008, 07:50:09 PM »
Shooting from the hip and missing is another way the Bushidiot and McSameasthebushiot are the same. Thoughtfulness & reason  might come back to the White House unless the racist prevail.

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Re: Obama Waited and Came Back With Realities
« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2008, 08:53:10 PM »
President Obama bodyslams McCain/Palin's ridiculously unrealistic aspirations.

Presidential?  Check.

Informed? Check.

Knowledgeable?  Definitely check.

Threatening to fire the head of the FEC [sic]?  Ooooooo, no, sorry.  Not constitutional and not necessary.

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Re: Obama Waited and Came Back With Realities
« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2008, 09:27:00 PM »
Wow.  I just watched the tape posted here - - thanks, Brass! - - and what is there left to say?

Not only does Barak LOOK "Presidential" he sounds Presidential and he IS Presidential.  Knowledgeable, informed, articulate, smart.  "Smart" doesn't begin to say it.  He's way MORE than "smart" just as McSame is way LESS than "smart."  In terms of quality, Obama is top of the line and McCain is a cheap knock-off.  Palin is off the radar screen, this office - - as you can see from Obama's mastery of the subject AND of the press conference - - is so far out of her league that if she weren't so totally out to lunch, she would realize it herself and just spontaneously quit the race of her own volition.  How McCain could ever pick such an inconsequential lightweight bimbo that's gonna require a mastery of subject matter is further evidence of HIS own execrable judgment, and it does not bode well for him.

Well, I guess the Republicans will have to find a new talking point.  Obama's AWOL with his plan for the economy don't work no more.  Neither does "tick tock tick tock."  Time to dust off the Rev. Wright tapes again, folks?  Don't bother.

Anyone NOW think this won't be a landslide?  Anyone?  Anyone?

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Re: Obama Waited and Came Back With Realities
« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2008, 09:35:53 PM »
Considering how the McSame/Palid campaign tried to pull a media blackout today and really pissed the media off on the same exact day that Obama knocks it out of the park on this financial crisis, I'd say, I'm leaning a little more towards a landslide.

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Re: Obama Waited and Came Back With Realities
« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2008, 09:49:34 PM »
It looks like at the very least it left all the usual subjects absolutely speechless.  I wonder if they're having their little epiphany on the Road to Damascus?  Probably not, but still it's funny to think of the real world intruding so far into their bizarre little RW fantasies that they actually have to stop to think before they shoot off their cookie-cutter attacks again.

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Re: Obama Waited and Came Back With Realities
« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2008, 10:52:05 PM »
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Anyone NOW think this won't be a landslide?  Anyone?  Anyone?


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Re: Obama Waited and Came Back With Realities
« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2008, 10:55:33 PM »
Why am I not surprised?

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« Reply #8 on: September 23, 2008, 11:39:03 PM »
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Why am I not surprised?

Because you really don't believe your own hype?

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Re: Obama Waited and Came Back With Realities
« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2008, 12:39:51 AM »
<<Because you really don't believe your own hype?>>

Tell me the truth - - - after all those ticks and tocks, what did you really think about Obama's plan?

You saw the video in this thread - - do you think he looked Presidential or not?

How do you think he handled the questions from the press?  Do you think McSame would do as good a job?  Better?  Worse?

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Re: Obama Waited and Came Back With Realities
« Reply #10 on: September 24, 2008, 01:49:58 AM »
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Tell me the truth

He looked and sounded like a politician. He should have been a statesman.

Most of his proposal fast tracked his platform.

I expect congress to jockey for their constituents interests, out of many one. I expect presidents to lead.

Looking presidential and sounding presidential does not make you presidential, appearances are immaterial unless you are one of those who value style over substance.

Frankly i was a bit disappointed. I don't see a whole lot different in what he is saying that Dodd and Pelosi didn't say days ago. So i am curious why the delay.

This was Obama's time on stage. He did well.

Doesn't matter how his style compares to McCain's. They are different candidates with different approaches to communication.

It will ultimately come down to trust. You have your reasons for not trusting McCain.

After a year and a half i still don't know Obama well enough to really know what to expect, perhaps that is by design, he does seem to be proud of his blank slate Chauncey Gardiner perception.

I had a chance to talk to a former council woman tonight. She is for Obama, but would have preferred Clinton. Not because she has a uterus, but because she felt confident she could do the job and do it well. We talked about Hillary being the Bobby to Bill's JFK. She was surprised I agreed with that assessment. She was more surprised that i would have seriously considered voting for Hillary if she had made it through the primary gauntlet.

I think we are in the midst of a placeholder election. I agree we are ready for CHANGE but i also think that we are willing to hold out for REAL CHANGE with a track record. And i don't see that this go round.

And that is my truth.










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Re: Obama Waited and Came Back With Realities
« Reply #11 on: September 24, 2008, 02:23:51 AM »
And a point that can NOT be missed, is that when it came time for leadership, McCain was up front, Obama sat, and twiddled his thumbs, then largely responding with what someone(s) else had already expressed.  With this issue, it was largely echoing Pelosi & Dodd.  With the Georgia/Russia Debacle, it was McCain he parroted, DAYS later.

Does he require that much time for the polling #'s to come in, before expressing "his" position?
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Re: Obama Waited and Came Back With Realities
« Reply #12 on: September 24, 2008, 02:37:29 AM »
And a point that can NOT be missed, is that when it came time for leadership, McCain was up front, Obama sat, and twiddled his thumbs, then largely responding with what someone(s) else had already expressed.  With this issue, it was largely echoing Pelosi & Dodd.  With the Georgia/Russia Debacle, it was McCain he parroted, DAYS later.

Does he require that much time for the polling #'s to come in, before expressing "his" position?

Perhaps you are correct. Or perhaps he is taking the time to gather information and make an informed and reasoned decision. Many a blunder began with the notion of "we must do something...anything" and quite frankly I'd rather have a president who takes a considerable amount of time as opposed to taking the power of the American Government and rushing head first into calamity. The latter seems to be the current definition of "leadership" for many, as was the case with the South Ossetia conflict (on many levels). Yet, it is one of the reasons this country is in the absolute dire mess it is currently in.
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Re: Obama Waited and Came Back With Realities
« Reply #13 on: September 24, 2008, 03:04:55 AM »
And a point that can NOT be missed, is that when it came time for leadership, McCain was up front, Obama sat, and twiddled his thumbs, then largely responding with what someone(s) else had already expressed.  With this issue, it was largely echoing Pelosi & Dodd.  With the Georgia/Russia Debacle, it was McCain he parroted, DAYS later.  Does he require that much time for the polling #'s to come in, before expressing "his" position?

Perhaps you are correct. Or perhaps he is taking the time to gather information and make an informed and reasoned decision.

Which happens to echoe those who demonstrated some leadership.  You might have a point, if he were facilitating a different POV, or one that might not poll so well, but let's face it Js, on both the above scenarios, his leadership was AWOL.  Even a coming out and saying, exactly what you just outlined above, would have been something. 

But he didn't, and it wasn't

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Re: Obama Waited and Came Back With Realities
« Reply #14 on: September 24, 2008, 10:09:24 AM »
I agree we are ready for CHANGE but i also think that we are willing to hold out for REAL CHANGE with a track record.

This is a fallacy.  How can you make a change to someone who has a track record?  The closest we came to that was four years ago when Howard Dean, clearly a change from the Washington insider crowd with a proven record of balancing budgets, coming up with livable solutions to inequality and insuring all the children of his state and what did you do?

You mocked him.  You tore him down.  Most of the crowd here spent hours and days and weeks informing the few of us who supported him and knew he wasn't a nutjob that he was "obviously crazy", that he was "an extreme leftist" and that he wasn't fit to be president.

Why don't you be honest and admit that you are not looking for change, you just want to tweak "more of the same".   You want a Reagan or a Bush 43 without all the lies, garbage and insanity?

I wish you would put up a new poll on how people think that George W Bush has done overall with his 8 year presidency.  Really take some time and offer grades of choices.  I would be utterly shocked to see the results be anything other than a C+ or even a B after all is said and done.  I feel like I know this crowd pretty good and I think that all the righties would not vote an, for the most part, because they would want to maintain their delusions of fairness and non-partisanship so they would vote like B-.  I daresay, none would ever vote F or ZERO which is what he should get.

Change with a track record?  Come on, get serious.  You know McCain/Palin is not Change with a track record.  They're more of the same plunder, puzzlement and pettiness that we've had for the last eight years.