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The Manchester Guardian reviews Palin
« on: October 13, 2008, 02:08:22 PM »
Observe please the source. One of the UK's most respected dailies.     

   Flirting her way to victory

         

        Sarah Palin's farcical debate performance lowered the standards for both female candidates and US political discourse

         

        The Guardian (London)  Friday October 03 2008 18:30 BST

         

         

                 At least three times last night, Sarah Palin, the adorable, preposterous vice-presidential candidate, winked at the audience.  Had a male candidate with a similar reputation for attractive vapidity made such a brazen attempt to flirt his way into the good graces of the voting public, it would have universally noted, discussed and mocked.

         

             Palin, however, has single-handedly so lowered the standards both for female candidates and American political discourse that, with her newfound ability to speak in more-or-less full sentences, she is now deemed to have performed acceptably last night. By any normal standard, including the ones applied to male presidential candidates of either party, she did not.  Early on, she made the astonishing  announcement that she had no intentions of actually answering the queries put to her. "I may not answer the questions that either the moderator or you want to hear, but I'm going to talk straight to the American people and let them know my track record also," she said.

         

            And so she preceded, with an almost surreal disregard for the subjects she was supposed to be discussing, to unleash fusillades of scripted attack lines, platitudes, lies, gibberish and grating references to her own pseudo-folksy authenticity.

         

            It  was  an  appalling  display.  The only reason it was not widely described as such is that too many American pundits don't even try to judge the truth, wisdom or reasonableness of the political rhetoric they are paid to pronounce upon. Instead, they imagine themselves as interpreters of a mythical mass of "average Americans" who they both venerate and despise.

         

            In pronouncing upon a debate, they don't try and determine whether a candidate's responses correspond to existing reality, or whether he or she is capable of talking about subjects such as the deregulation of the financial markets or the devolution of the war in Afghanistan. The criteria are far more vaporous. In this case, it was whether Palin could avoid utterly humiliating herself for 90 minutes, and whether urbane commentators would believe that she had connected to a public that they see as ignorant and sentimental.  For the Alaska governor, mission accomplished.

         

            There is indeed something mesmerising about Palin, with her manic beaming and fulsome confidence in her own charm. The force of her personality managed to slightly obscure the insulting emptiness of her answers last night.  It's worth reading the transcript of the encounter, where it becomes clearer how bizarre much of what she said was. Here, for example, is how she responded to Biden's comments about how the middle  class has been short-changed during the Bush administration, and how McCain will continue Bush's policies:

         

              "Say  it ain't so, Joe, there you go again pointing backwards again. You preferenced [sic] your   whole comment with the Bush administration.  Now doggone it, let's look ahead and tell Americans what we  have to plan to do for them in the future. You mentioned education, and I'm glad you did.  I know  education you are passionate about with your wife being a teacher for 30 years, and god bless her. Her reward is in heaven, right? ... My brother, who I think is the best schoolteacher in the year, and here's a shout-out to all those third graders at Gladys Wood Elementary School, you get extra credit for watching the debate."

         

            Evidently, Palin's pre-debate handlers judged her incapable of speaking on a fairly wide range of subjects, and so instructed her to simply disregard questions that did not invite memorised talking points or cutesy filibustering. They probably told her to play up her spunky average-ness, which she did  to the point of shtick - and dishonesty.  Asked  what  her achilles heel is - a question she either didn't understand or chose to ignore - she started in on how McCain chose her because of her "connection to the heartland of America. Being  a mom, one very concerned about a son in the war, about a special needs child, about kids heading off to college, how are we going to pay those tuition bills?"

         

           None of Palin's children, it should be noted, is heading off to college.  Her son is on the way to Iraq, and her pregnant 17-year-old daughter is engaged  to be married to a high-school dropout and self-described "fuckin' redneck".  Palin is a woman who can't even tell the truth about the most quotidian and public details of her own life, never mind about matters of major public import. In her only vice-presidential debate, she was shallow, mendacious and phoney.   What kind of maverick, after all, keeps harping on what a maverick she is?  That her performance was considered anything but a farce doesn't show how high Palin has risen, but how low we all have sunk.

 



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Re: The Manchester Guardian reviews Palin
« Reply #1 on: October 13, 2008, 02:55:08 PM »
Link?
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Re: The Manchester Guardian reviews Palin
« Reply #2 on: October 13, 2008, 03:01:00 PM »
Sez it all.  Standards in this race have sunk right through the floor.

But at least the polls are starting to show it.  Obama now has a 10-point lead (Washpo/ABC.) 

Apparently is IS possible to overestimate the stupidity of the American people, after all.

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Re: The Manchester Guardian reviews Palin
« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2008, 03:05:12 PM »
Link?

What do you mean, "Link?"

Manchester Guardian, October 3, 2008. How hard is that?
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Re: The Manchester Guardian reviews Palin
« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2008, 03:13:00 PM »
What do you mean, "Link?"

Manchester Guardian, October 3, 2008. How hard is that?

How hard is it to copy and paste a link?
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Re: The Manchester Guardian reviews Palin
« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2008, 03:13:46 PM »
No ees my chob.
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Re: The Manchester Guardian reviews Palin
« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2008, 03:32:40 PM »
No ees my chob.

BT? Isn't that in the rules?
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Re: The Manchester Guardian reviews Palin
« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2008, 03:36:41 PM »
Oh look, you can easily look it up if you do not believe me. I was sent this by a friend.

It is not in my rules that I have to give you and easy-click link for everything, and I am not going to do it. Nor do I expect anyone to do it for me.

I am certain that it is a valid critique, and that it appeared as described. If you do not believe me, find it yourself. You are not helpless.

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Re: The Manchester Guardian reviews Palin
« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2008, 03:40:45 PM »
Really doesn't need a link.  That piece rang true and dead-on in and of itself.  Doesn't matter if it came from the Manchester Guardian or Al Jazeera, it's pure opinion and you can agree or disagree with it regardless of source.

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Re: The Manchester Guardian reviews Palin
« Reply #9 on: October 13, 2008, 03:45:34 PM »
>>BT? Isn't that in the rules?<<

I think so. But then, who knows?

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Re: The Manchester Guardian reviews Palin
« Reply #10 on: October 13, 2008, 03:49:44 PM »
I'm guessing it's a fake.

Here are the articles from 10/03, International section:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguardian/2008/oct/03/mainsection/international

Same date, Comment section:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguardian/2008/oct/03/mainsection/commentanddebate

Same date, Editorial section:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguardian/2008/oct/03/mainsection/leadersandreply

Same date, Top Stories:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguardian/2008/oct/03/mainsection/topstories

Not seeing that article in any of those sections, so no, I can't:

Oh look, you can easily look it up if you do not believe me.
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Re: The Manchester Guardian reviews Palin
« Reply #11 on: October 13, 2008, 03:58:58 PM »
http://womanpolitico.blogspot.com/2008/10/flirting-her-way-to-victory-manchester.html

took under 20 seconds on Google:  search terms:  "Manchester or whether he or she is capable of talking"

insert a word from the source and a fragment of a sentence from the text and voila.

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Re: The Manchester Guardian reviews Palin
« Reply #12 on: October 13, 2008, 04:07:05 PM »
Ah, so it's not really published by the Manchester Guardian (as indicated by the title "The Manchester Guardian reviews Palin") - it was just posted on their blog space. No wonder it isn't showing up in the paper's indexes of articles that they actually published...
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Re: The Manchester Guardian reviews Palin
« Reply #13 on: October 13, 2008, 04:07:42 PM »
http://www.guardian.co.uk/profile/michellegoldberg

There it is.
Not a "fake." Althouth the facts of Palin's speech are available to all, and the rest is an opinion.

I thought it was a dead-on opinion of the debate. That is why I posted it.


Perhaps you need more assistance that I thought. What can I say?
I am deeply sorry that you wasted so much time not finding it, and bitching about how I had to find it.
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Re: The Manchester Guardian reviews Palin
« Reply #14 on: October 13, 2008, 04:09:23 PM »
>>I am deeply sorry that you wasted so much time not finding it, and bitching about how I had to find it.<<

You could have avoided all that by simply doing what everyone else is expected to do.