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[Knutey]

>I do not believe Obama has read Amity Schlaes "The Forgotten Man", which in my judgment is essential for understanding the Great Depression <

I can guarantee you that the Bushidiot hasnt.

[Universe Prince]

That is the price we paid for "free markets" then which FDR had to repair.

And you think I failed History? Not only did we not have free markets, FDR did not repair them in any fashion. He kept them "broken" for (at least) 10 years.

[Knutey]

That is the price we paid for "free markets" then which FDR had to repair.

And you think I failed History? Not only did we not have free markets, FDR did not repair them in any fashion. He kept them "broken" for (at least) 10 years.

Why dont you bother to prove it with one of your bullshit Libertarian Freeper websites then?

And BTW- who undid all this great damage FDR did. Truman or Eisenhower?

[Universe Prince]

Why dont you bother to prove it with one of your bullshit Libertarian Freeper websites then?

I don't have any of those. (Libertarian Freeper? You really don't have a clue, do you?) I have used articles on the internet that point out many of the facts of Roosevelt's policies. If you have problems with the facts of history, I suggest the bullshit is wholly on your end. For brief overview of some of the problems Roosevelt caused, you can check out an interview with Amity Shlaes, author of the book The Professor mentioned: http://www.reason.com/news/show/123476.html.

And BTW- who undid all this great damage FDR did. Truman or Eisenhower?

As World War II came to an end and afterwards, most of Roosevelt's economic policies were repealed. That, more than anything else undid enough of the damage and allowed the economy to recover.

[Knutey]

Why dont you bother to prove it with one of your bullshit Libertarian Freeper websites then?

I don't have any of those. (Libertarian Freeper? You really don't have a clue, do you?) I have used articles on the internet that point out many of the facts of Roosevelt's policies. If you have problems with the facts of history, I suggest the bullshit is wholly on your end. For brief overview of some of the problems Roosevelt caused, you can check out an interview with Amity Shlaes, author of the book The Professor mentioned: http://www.reason.com/news/show/123476.html.

And BTW- who undid all this great damage FDR did. Truman or Eisenhower?

As World War II came to an end and afterwards, most of Roosevelt's economic policies were repealed. That, more than anything else undid enough of the damage and allowed the economy to recover.

I keep forgetting that you belong to a subcult of the Republican cult and are therefore twice removed from reality. You did end up posting one of your nutcase freeper Libertarian blogs (Reason) and refer to another RW nutcase such as yourself Amity Schlaes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amity_Shlaes

You really are clueless as to reality. You would have been  better served to display the economic policies that were supposedly repealed. Once again by whom?

[Universe Prince]

I keep forgetting that you belong to a subcult of the Republican cult and are therefore twice removed from reality. You did end up posting one of your nutcase freeper Libertarian blogs (Reason) and refer to another RW nutcase such as yourself Amity Schlaes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amity_Shlaes

You are by far the most ignorant and needlessly insulting people with whom I have had a conversation here. Libertarians are not a subcult of the Republicans, nor are they right wing. Amity Shlaes is an intelligent woman who has won awards for her writing, and is a senior fellow in economic history at the Council on Foreign Relations. What exactly do you bring up against her? You claim merely that she is "another RW nutcase". If you really want to lecture me on how I should properly respond to your questions, you might first bother mounting a substantive argument of your own. But I have seen enough of your writings here to know that you won't.

You really are clueless as to reality.

Says the man who apparently knows nothing of what FDR's economic policies actually were, and proceeds to laud FDR anyway and hope for another.

You would have been  better served to display the economic policies that were supposedly repealed. Once again by whom?

Pooh yi. Congresses did so. Duh. When we were in World War II, some of Roosevelt's policies were repealed by the U.S. Congress at the time. Under Truman, Congress overrode Truman's veto to pass the Taft–Hartley Act, which rolled back some of the Wagner Act that had been passed under Roosevelt.

[Xavier_Onassis]

I think we need to see what Obama does before we decide that he is overly imitating anyone.

[Plane]

I think we need to see what Obama does before we decide that he is overly imitating anyone.

The only part of a presidents job that he can do right now is hire some staff , so far he seems to want to hire a set of Clinton retreads.

[Universe Prince]

I think we need to see what Obama does before we decide that he is overly imitating anyone.

I agree. And I doubt that Obama will be as bad as FDR.

[Xavier_Onassis]

The only part of a presidents job that he can do right now is hire some staff , so far he seems to want to hire a set of Clinton retreads.
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The same people who bitched like Hell about how Obama lacked experience are now bitching like Hell that his appointees are "retreads".

Experience in the appointments he makes are more important to me then the president himself.

There were may successes in the Clinton years-- more than in the Juniorbush years.

[BT]

The same people who bitched like Hell about how Obama lacked experience are now bitching like Hell that his appointees are "retreads".

Get used to it.

Everything that you castigated Bush about , you will now have to defend Obama for doing.

They don't call it Pretzel Logic for nuthin'

[Plane]

The same people who bitched like Hell about how Obama lacked experience are now bitching like Hell that his appointees are "retreads".

Get used to it.

Everything that you castigated Bush about , you will now have to defend Obama or doing.

They don't call it Pretzel Logic for nuthin'

  I am "bitching like Hell "?

I hate to think that I am pegging the meter already , I feel as if I am not near the limits yet.

[Knutey]

I keep forgetting that you belong to a subcult of the Republican cult and are therefore twice removed from reality. You did end up posting one of your nutcase freeper Libertarian blogs (Reason) and refer to another RW nutcase such as yourself Amity Schlaes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amity_Shlaes

You are by far the most ignorant and needlessly insulting people with whom I have had a conversation here. Libertarians are not a subcult of the Republicans, nor are they right wing. Amity Shlaes is an intelligent woman who has won awards for her writing, and is a senior fellow in economic history at the Council on Foreign Relations. What exactly do you bring up against her? You claim merely that she is "another RW nutcase". If you really want to lecture me on how I should properly respond to your questions, you might first bother mounting a substantive argument of your own. But I have seen enough of your writings here to know that you won't.

You really are clueless as to reality.

Says the man who apparently knows nothing of what FDR's economic policies actually were, and proceeds to laud FDR anyway and hope for another.

You would have been  better served to display the economic policies that were supposedly repealed. Once again by whom?

Pooh yi. Congresses did so. Duh. When we were in World War II, some of Roosevelt's policies were repealed by the U.S. Congress at the time. Under Truman, Congress overrode Truman's veto to pass the Taft–Hartley Act, which rolled back some of the Wagner Act that had been passed under Roosevelt.

You only think I am insulting because I am not as impressed with you as you are with yourself. When I was a child I thought I was  Libertarian and read Ayn Rand. But then I was intelligent enough to realize that  I did not know everything and might not ever know everything and that circular arguments even spouted with certainty were a proof of shallowness, not intelligence.
Shlaes' degree is in English not economics or history. She is smart enough to cover the bullshit she writes with sweet smelling prose, I suppose. The Council on Foreign Relations is a typical RW think tank anymore. Dick Cheney was its director for a couple of years , for chrissakes. They love falsehoods presented as new thinking like any RW er.
You sure did have to dig deep into your pile of RW manure to come up with Taft-Hartley rolling back some of the Wagner Act which actually made your hated big govt more powerful. The combination of big govt and big business is a major characteristic of  fascism.

http://www.couplescompany.com/Features/Politics/Structure3.htm

[Universe Prince]

You only think I am insulting because I am not as impressed with you as you are with yourself.

No, I know you are insulting because you insult people deliberately and repeatedly. Your actions here speak for themselves.

When I was a child I thought I was  Libertarian and read Ayn Rand. But then I was intelligent enough to realize that  I did not know everything and might not ever know everything and that circular arguments even spouted with certainty were a proof of shallowness, not intelligence.

Good for you. However, your actions here lead me to conclude you must have forgotten that realization for the most part, because I see no evidence of it in your writings here.

Taking your above comment as a criticism of libertarians and me, since you clearly intended it so, I should say that you ought not make assumptions about me. I do not assume to, and in fact am pretty sure I do not, know everything. And I should add, insulting people, as you do, with certainty and never making a remotely substantive argument is also proof of shallowness and not intelligence.

Ayn Rand is not the beginning and end of libertarian thought. As I recall, she didn't like libertarians.

Shlaes' degree is in English not economics or history.

So? That does nothing to invalidate what she has said. That she got a degree in English indicates to me she is intelligent enough to read other books on other subjects besides English. If you want to discredit what she said, you're going to have to do better than that.

The Council on Foreign Relations is a typical RW think tank anymore. Dick Cheney was its director for a couple of years , for chrissakes.

He was a director. Just like Madeleine Albright is a director and economist Alan Blinder is a director. That Cheney was one of many people on a board of directors hardly makes the entire think tank right-wing.

Your arguments, Knute, are shallow and immaterial.

They love falsehoods presented as new thinking like any RW er.

Prove it.

You sure did have to dig deep into your pile of RW manure to come up with Taft-Hartley rolling back some of the Wagner Act which actually made your hated big govt more powerful. The combination of big govt and big business is a major characteristic of  fascism.

http://www.couplescompany.com/Features/Politics/Structure3.htm

I did not say I was a fan of Taft-Hartly. And I know already about partnership between corporations and government being a part of fascism. I frequently speak out against that sort of partnering. Recently I've opposed the government bailouts of corporations for that very reason.

If you want to lecture me about crafting an argument and what is intelligent, you are going to have to step up your game. A lot.

[Knutey]

The only reason I even deal with an irrelevancy sauch as you is that you are so cute when you are angry. You can spout your silly circular bullshit forever.