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Re: Our Mutual Joy
« Reply #75 on: December 18, 2008, 12:25:28 AM »
You can always check out the baltimore catechism

Hey, there ya go, Ami...check that one out.

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Re: Our Mutual Joy
« Reply #76 on: December 18, 2008, 08:09:40 AM »
Other than in the Bible, I know of no other usage of the word 'wages' as a singular noun.

Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, (c) 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc.:

Wages

Wa"ges\, n. plural in termination, but singular in signification. [Plural of wage; cf. F. gages, pl., wages, hire. See Wage, n.]

The American Heritage(r) Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
Copyright (c) 2006 by Houghton Mifflin Company:

wage n. 
  • Payment for labor or services to a worker, especially remuneration on an hourly, daily, or weekly basis or by the piece.
  • wages Economics The portion of the national product that represents the aggregate paid for all contributing labor and services as distinguished from the portion retained by management or reinvested in capital goods.
  • A fitting return; a recompense. Often used in the plural with a singular or plural verb: the wages of sin.
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Re: Our Mutual Joy
« Reply #77 on: December 18, 2008, 08:11:05 AM »
Hey, there ya go, Ami...check that one out.

Already have. Have you, since you're a Catholic?
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« Reply #78 on: December 18, 2008, 08:23:45 AM »
A fitting return; a recompense. Often used in the plural with a singular or plural verb: the wages of sin.

Observe please that this is not OFTEN used in the plural, but just in this one, Biblical, case, which was my point. It's not often, that's all they got. The grammarians have refused to defy the priests.

 Not really my point, but my point concerning the bogus-sounding grammar of "The wages of sin IS death".
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« Reply #79 on: December 18, 2008, 08:36:55 AM »
Observe please that this is not OFTEN used in the plural, but just in this one, Biblical, case, which was my point. It's not often, that's all they got. The grammarians have refused to defy the priests.

I've used it as singular. If I'm referring to a single lump sum payment for multiple tasks, then it's a singular collective noun, and I would use "is" with it.
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Re: Our Mutual Joy
« Reply #80 on: December 18, 2008, 09:55:03 AM »
Finally, my wages has arrived.

My wages is less than I expected.

The wages for this year is less than the wages for last year.

All my wages is being sent to the bank from the payroll office.
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Excuse, but none of this sounds remotely right.

Perhaps you have an example that does. I just can't think of any.
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Re: Our Mutual Joy
« Reply #81 on: December 18, 2008, 10:12:11 AM »
Perhaps you have an example that does. I just can't think of any.

Wages for this project is $2000.

The wages for this year is less than the wages for last year.

And that one sounds fine to me.
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« Reply #82 on: December 18, 2008, 10:46:29 AM »
Perhaps you have an example that does. I just can't think of any.

Wages for this project is $2000.

The wages for this year is less than the wages for last year.

And that one sounds fine to me.

I think we need Missus to weigh in on this, as our resident Grammar Police.

But I think that, in theory, you're right. If you're talking about wages for multiple projects, then it would be "wages are." If just one project and more than a single unit of a wage, then "wages is" is correct.

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« Reply #83 on: December 18, 2008, 11:06:57 AM »
Wages for this project is $2000.

I would say the wages ARE $2000. But if I were proofreading it, I would dodge the issue and change this to SALARY  or COMPENSATION.

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Quote from: Xavier_Onassis on Today at 08:55:03 AM
The wages for this year is less than the wages for last year.

And that one sounds fine to me.

Well, not to me. I would say WAGES ARE or the WAGE IS.
Or dodge the issue and use the word EARNINGS.
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I have actually been paid on numerous occasions for editing and proofreading in English.  I suppose that the marketplace is at least one respected authority on this.

I think the authors of the KJV of the Bible were trying to emulate the structure of the Hebrew word here, and used a plural English word to translate a plural Hebrew word.  And blew it. But the KJV has been around for so long that the bad translations and grammar in it have gained respect as an authority.

Like "The song of the turtle is heard in the Land."

Turtles, of course, are mute (at least most of them), lacking voiceboxes and all. I suppose someone could find an example of some rare turtle that makes deliberate tapping or clicking sounds here or there. But the one thing I thing everyone can agree on is that turtle songs are nonexistent. Never has a turtle sered as a Soprano, Alto, Tenor, Bass or Contralto. Turtles will never gain fame for their coloratura or yodeling.

This is a mistranslation of the Hebrew word that translates 'tórtola' in Spanish, and is ofter rendered as 'turtle dove' in English. There is no real kinship between turtles and doves. The term 'turtle dove' was apparently created to make the KJV's translators not lok like utter fools.

What it means is that "the sound of the cooing of doves" is heard in the land, ie the land is at peace. Pigeons have a tough time of it in wartime, as they make good targets for archery practice, and can be a source of tasty added protein in a soldier's boring diet of gruel or porridge. And as such, it makes sense, and the theologians can dispense with their mission to "walk the Bible " in search of turtlesongs.

Come to think of it, I am thinking that "Turlesong" might be at least as good a bizarre name for a singing group as "Barenaked Ladies" is for a group consisting entirely of clothed males.
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Re: Our Mutual Joy
« Reply #84 on: December 18, 2008, 12:22:51 PM »
I have actually been paid on numerous occasions for editing and proofreading in English.  I suppose that the marketplace is at least one respected authority on this.

I am a current editor for the Guild Companion.
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« Reply #85 on: December 18, 2008, 12:24:49 PM »
Good for you.

Are you the only Austrian with the surname Caldwell?
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« Reply #86 on: December 18, 2008, 12:32:58 PM »
Are you the only Austrian with the surname Caldwell?

Nick is at Cambridge. My name is Mario Butter.
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Re: Our Mutual Joy
« Reply #87 on: December 18, 2008, 08:36:12 PM »

Any travel brochure is a lot more specific.


Mark 9:48 Isaiah 66:24

"...and be thrown into hell, 48where
   " 'their worm does not die,
      and the fire is not quenched.'"


That it is miserable is enough to know.

God is just , which is really our problem.

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Re: Our Mutual Joy
« Reply #88 on: December 18, 2008, 10:47:22 PM »
Hey, there ya go, Ami...check that one out.

Already have. Have you, since you're a Catholic?

What do you have to say about the site, then, if you have checked it out?

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Re: Our Mutual Joy
« Reply #89 on: December 18, 2008, 10:54:13 PM »
What do you have to say about the site, then, if you have checked it out?

Purgatory is official Catholic policy. From the Baltimore Catechism, "Those are punished for a time in purgatory who die in the state of grace but are guilty of venial sin, or have not fully satisfied for the temporal punishment due to their sins."

If you are Catholic, part of your belief system includes purgatory. Did you not study this for your Confirmation?
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