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Killer Chic: Hollywood's Sick Love Affair with Che Guevara
« on: December 17, 2008, 02:49:15 PM »
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Re: Killer Chic: Hollywood's Sick Love Affair with Che Guevara
« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2008, 04:45:31 PM »
El Che, not really el Che himself, but Korda's photo of him,  has become the symbol of youthful rebellion.

Think of Mickey Mouse. People do not like mice, nor do they want to live in ghtr same house with mice, but Mickey Mouse is the symbol of juvenile merriment.

Hitler was too old to be a charismatic symbol, and people remember his defeat. Hitler has had an army of publicists portraying him as the Devil since the 1930's. Either you hate Hitler or you are Anti-Semetic.

Che was young when he died, and was much more photogenic. Mao is not the new Che, Mao is a less effective marketing symbol: he's too traditional to use his image to show any sort of youthful rebellion: he's on the PRC's money, fer Chrissake. I don;t see how Mao enters into the topic of Che, anyway.


"Motocycle diaries" was a great film. I am not particularly fond of Che, who was, after all, a rather incompetent and misguided revolutionary, but he did have an exciting life, and like Jesus, he was betrayed and ignominiously murdered by those he fought against. He was famous because he embodied the standard myth of youthful rebellion.

Mao also was a rebel in his youth, but he died as an old, annoying man with foul breath and yellow teeth. You have to be more like Gandalf to die old and still be an iconic symbol. Of course, Galdalf does not die, does he?
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Re: Killer Chic: Hollywood's Sick Love Affair with Che Guevara
« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2008, 04:57:54 PM »
>>Think of Mickey Mouse.<<

What an incredibly stupid thing to say.

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« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2008, 05:10:58 PM »
You know nothing of icons and how they work, apparently. Mickey is the icon of mirth, just as Che is the icon of youthful rebellion. The three pointed star, the cross, the hammer and sickle, the crescent moon and star, all these are icons. Their symbolic value surpasses their origin.
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Re: Killer Chic: Hollywood's Sick Love Affair with Che Guevara
« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2008, 05:15:47 PM »
>>Think of Mickey Mouse.<<

What an incredibly stupid thing to say.

Oh, I don't know....

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« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2008, 05:24:08 PM »
See? that is the icon of stupid youthful rebellion. Or rebellious youthful stupidity. Or maybe Youthful rebellious stupidity.

I think I understand why it might appeal to you.

I keep thinking of you as being about fourteen, but perhaps that is just your mental age.
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« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2008, 06:06:52 PM »
Yeah. As the piece points out a picture of Hitler would cause libtards to have an instant coronary and demand the wearer be fired, shot, ridiculed, and shot again. But Che is a symbol of youthful rebellion. They actually think it's fine for American youth to make an icon out of a mass murderer. I see Mao is now in vogue. What's he a symbol of? Weight loss?

Mickey Mouse. Good grief.

This is the best picture of Che Guevara

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« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2008, 06:23:25 PM »
No, it isn't. JUst like a picture of your corpse is sure to not be your best picture.

You don't believe me, try to sell dead Che T-shirts. I bet you could not even get Grover Fucking Norquest to wear one. Not even Ann Coulter. Not even yourself.

You are just being a smartass.

As usual.
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Re: Killer Chic: Hollywood's Sick Love Affair with Che Guevara
« Reply #8 on: December 17, 2008, 06:53:10 PM »
Hey! smartass! Do smartasses know more than nothing?

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« Reply #9 on: December 17, 2008, 07:04:24 PM »
Not your kind of smartass. You are a rare and special breed. Smartassicus knowlessthanzilchii
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« Reply #10 on: December 17, 2008, 07:15:59 PM »
You can thank the US Special Forces for training the unit that tracked Che Guevara. The Green Berets came from MACV-SOGs CCC unit. CCC was one of SOGs three cross border recon units that tracked the NVA as they moved along the Ho Chi Minh trail.   

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« Reply #11 on: December 17, 2008, 11:24:37 PM »
I would not thank the Special Forces unit of the damned CIA for anything. They are a disgrace to my country.
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« Reply #12 on: December 17, 2008, 11:50:48 PM »

El Che, not really el Che himself, but Korda's photo of him,  has become the symbol of youthful rebellion.


That is no excuse. The idolization of Guevara is ignorant.


You have to be more like Gandalf to die old and still be an iconic symbol. Of course, Galdalf does not die, does he?


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Re: Killer Chic: Hollywood's Sick Love Affair with Che Guevara
« Reply #13 on: December 18, 2008, 12:43:48 AM »
>>I would not thank the Special Forces unit of the damned CIA for anything.<<


Very good, XO, because the Special Forces doesn't work for the CIA, they don't take orders from the CIA, and they have a completely different mission statement. I didn't know you were so up on these things. 

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« Reply #14 on: December 18, 2008, 09:58:38 AM »
I would not thank the Special Forces unit of the damned CIA for anything.<<

Okay, I meant "I would not thank the Special Forces unit OR the damned CIA for anything.<<
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