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And you thought Reid & his accusers were the shameless folk
« on: January 13, 2010, 01:50:48 PM »
naaaaa.......that honor goes to squarely on the MSM, and most notably, that "beacon of objectivity", 60 Minutes

The Media's Democrat Dialect
by Brent Bozell

Mark Halperin and John Heilemann are laughing all the way to the bank at the mess Harry Reid is facing. The hottest backstage tidbit of their new campaign chronicle, "Game Change," is that Reid praised Barack Obama's political appeal as a "light-skinned" black man with "no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one."

The prestige these authors have among their media colleagues was weightier than the Democrats pleading to be spared the headache. (Halperin is now at Time after many years at ABC; Heilemann is at New York magazine.) For his part, President Obama quickly proclaimed, "The book is closed," even if the uproar was just beginning. Obama did not comment on the book's report that Ted Kennedy was furious at Bill Clinton after Clinton sneered that Obama was so inexperienced that "a few years ago, this guy would have been getting us coffee."

The authors said "trust us" on the book's anonymous sources because we know these campaign sources so thoroughly that we know all their motivations. Which leads to Question No. 2: If you know these sources so well, why did it take a year or two to unload these scoops?

Because Obama is safely elected? Or because now they can cash in?

Don't always trust the first draft of history -- or as Ronald Reagan would say, trust, but verify. Some stories come cloaked in anonymity from campaign staffers who want to stab their old employers in the back with a machete, and then go out and get the next job with no fingerprints. The authors are very Bob Woodward-like, offering detailed reconstructions of scenes and conversations they did not witness firsthand, with no audio or video to back up the allegations.

Reid owned up to his racial remarks, but Clinton stayed quiet. Conservatives were passionate in underlining an obvious point about Democrats. They play the race card obsessively, but when the arrow turns back on them, we see Obama asserting Reid is a good man "on the right side of history." Just weeks ago, Reid was comparing conservative opponents of a government takeover of health care to those who clung to slavery and segregation. Why does he deserve a pass on this -- especially when he owns the quote?

But Reid and his excusers aren't the most shameless people. That dishonor should go to "60 Minutes" and CBS. They had the "Game Change" book in advance. But they completely ignored the pages that embarrassed Reid and Clinton. They spent the lion's share of their time with McCain aide Steve Schmidt going savagely on the record (again) against Sarah Palin. At least Schmidt wasn't mauling Palin anonymously. He's tried to be Palin's Freddy Krueger for months now. Schmidt and CBS made Palin out to be so stupid that she didn't understand anything about any of America's wars in the 20th century.

Surely, CBS gave Palin and her defenders a chance to respond?

No, they didn't -- not on "60 Minutes," and not on "The Early Show" in the several segments promoting Schmidt's attacks before and after the interview. Instead, the 17 people who watch this morning program saw Bob Schieffer declare once again that he thinks Palin is political roadkill.

Anderson Cooper, who interviewed Schmidt and the authors as a guest correspondent on CBS, asked about Reid, Clinton and race with these authors on CNN on Monday night. CBS wasn't just one-sided; its approach was propagandistic and corrupt -- a lot like the phony documents war on George W. Bush in 2004.

The most underplayed scoop in the "Game Change" book is the story of John and Elizabeth Edwards. Some of their former staffers went on the record by name and talked about their candidate's soaring ego, his sloppy affair with Rielle Hunter and what the authors called "the lie of Saint Elizabeth." They said the candidate's wife was "so unpleasant that they felt like battered spouses."

This is worth underlining. They felt "there was no one on the national stage for whom the disparity between public image and private reality was vaster or more disturbing. What the world saw in Elizabeth: a valiant, determined, heroic everywoman. What the Edwards insiders saw: an abusive, intrusive, paranoid, condescending crazywoman."

Edwards staffers started to panic at their own success with the servile media, said the book: "The mainstream media, yet again, was determinedly ignoring the Enquirer." If that trend continued, Edwards could win the nomination and be trounced by the Republicans when the truth of Edwards' affair proved true.

The sugary television stories of John and Elizabeth celebrating their love-filled marriage at Wendy's look like fraud. So you can see why this would be downplayed. It suggests all of the media's gooey Democratic love stories look, well, propagandistic and corrupt.
 

What racist comment?
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Re: And you thought Reid & his accusers were the shameless folk
« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2010, 02:06:26 PM »
Surely, CBS gave Palin and her defenders a chance to respond?

No, they didn't -- not on "60 Minutes," and not on "The Early Show" in the several segments promoting Schmidt's attacks before and after the interview.

"Palin declined to be interviewed for this report or to respond to any specific allegations, saying she had dealt with a lot of this in her book."
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Re: And you thought Reid & his accusers were the shameless folk
« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2010, 02:15:05 PM »
That would reference Palin alone, on 60minutes alone.  Where's any Palin supporters or insiders, on any CBS show??  Surely they don't need Palin's permission, do they?
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Re: And you thought Reid & his accusers were the shameless folk
« Reply #3 on: January 13, 2010, 02:21:22 PM »
That would reference Palin alone, on 60minutes alone.  Where's any Palin supporters or insiders, on any CBS show??  Surely they don't need Palin's permission, do they?

Don't know about the other shows; feel free to find those transcripts yourself. CBS can't go out and ask every American if they want to comment before their show; if Palin wanted to respond, or wanted her response to come from an official spokesperson, she was free to tell that to CBS when 60 Minutes called. She failed to do so. Now that she has her own guest commentator slot on Fox, she has her own outlet to clear things up.
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Re: And you thought Reid & his accusers were the shameless folk
« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2010, 02:33:17 PM »
That would reference Palin alone, on 60minutes alone.  Where's any Palin supporters or insiders, on any CBS show??  Surely they don't need Palin's permission, do they?

Don't know about the other shows

I don't, either.  Simply what's being reported.  Currently, what's being reported is that the folks at CBS, besides the ignoring of the Reid & Edwards debacles, chooses instead to focus their wrath on a non candidate, her family, while not providing any opportunity for her supporters to provide "the other side".  Feel free to find some transcripts that prove me/the article wrong, though.  I have no problem being educated on this issue, if I'm in error

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Re: And you thought Reid & his accusers were the shameless folk
« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2010, 02:41:55 PM »
I don't, either.  Simply what's being reported.  Currently, what's being reported is that the folks at CBS, besides the ignoring of the Reid & Edwards debacles, chooses instead to focus their wrath on a non candidate, her family, while not providing any opportunity for her supporters to provide "the other side".  Feel free to find some transcripts that prove me/the article wrong, though.  I have no problem being educated on this issue, if I'm in error

The story was about the 2008 election. They covered Palin and Clinton because they were discussing the election. Reid was not involved in the 2008 election except at a distance. The subjects - Palin and Clinton - were approached to give their side. That's all that is required to give balance.

Think about it this way - if 60 Minutes was doing a story about you, and they contacted you to come on the show or give a statement, and you said "no", how would you feel if 60 Minutes then went out and found Joe Schmo and got HIM to give your side of the story? Palin was given an opportunity, Palin refused the opportunity, and any fallout for that refusal is now on her head.

I'm sure 60 Minutes will also be doing a story about Reid soon, based on the items in that same book. The Reid debacle, however, was only tangentially connected with the 60 Minutes story about the 2008 election, and they did nothing wrong with leaving it out.
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Re: And you thought Reid & his accusers were the shameless folk
« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2010, 02:56:06 PM »
I'm afraid, given CBS, and in particular, 60minutes' track record, your theory is inaccurate.  Both on the lack of any reach out for any of Palin's supporters, or any subsequent story on Reid.  They've made it very clear that the punching bag is to be Palin.  Had been Bush, now it's Palin.  It's why 90+% of their recent segment was Palin, with a trace amount provided to the President of the U.S., a Former president's "racially insensitive" comments, and the Senator with the most recent racist-like rhetoric revelation from the book, that ironically is being used to bash Palin
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Re: And you thought Reid & his accusers were the shameless folk
« Reply #7 on: January 13, 2010, 03:06:29 PM »
So, if you had already told 60 Minutes that you weren't interested in responding to their story, you'd be ok with them digging up Joe Schmo to give your side and be your official spokesperson, even if he doesn't know what your side is and you don't know who he is?
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Re: And you thought Reid & his accusers were the shameless folk
« Reply #8 on: January 13, 2010, 03:10:44 PM »
or any subsequent story on Reid.

And 60 Minutes is already commenting on Reid, so I feel sure a story is in the works: http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2010/01/11/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry6083103.shtml
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Re: And you thought Reid & his accusers were the shameless folk
« Reply #9 on: January 13, 2010, 03:39:22 PM »
So, if you had already told 60 Minutes that you weren't interested in responding to their story, you'd be ok with them digging up Joe Schmo to give your side and be your official spokesperson, even if he doesn't know what your side is and you don't know who he is?

Since when does any MSM outlet wait to only use approved "official" spokepeoples for person X??  
A) if they don't know what "my side is", if they're a supporter, I'd wager they'd attempt to find out.  
B) The point of the article is how with all the bashing they've been doing on Palin, compared to anyone else far more prominent and higher up in Government, CBS also have yet to provide any Palin supporter the opportunity to rebutt the bashing

Let's also add there are a plethora of reputable "Joe Schmos" out there, with enough conservative clout and/or connections to provide ample rebutting

And as far as Reid, I'm betting there still won't be any story, but if there is, it won't be a bashing piece, but likely of "how apologetic he's been.....let's please move on.....to bashing Palin some more"
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Re: And you thought Reid & his accusers were the shameless folk
« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2010, 04:33:26 PM »
CBS also have yet to provide any Palin supporter the opportunity to rebutt the bashing

It's not their job to do so. If Palin wishes to rebut it, she can do so, or provide the name of someone who will do so on her behalf. All CBS has to do is provide the opportunity.

If CBS puts someone on the air that portends to speak with authority on my behalf, and I didn't approve the choice of spokesperson, I will be suing CBS and the claimed spokesperson. Or any other entity that has the unmitigated gall to claim they speak on my behalf.

It's up to Palin to decide who speaks for Palin. And she decided that her book would speak for her. Case closed, as far as I'm concerned.
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Re: And you thought Reid & his accusers were the shameless folk
« Reply #11 on: January 13, 2010, 04:46:03 PM »
CBS also have yet to provide any Palin supporter the opportunity to rebutt the bashing

It's not their job to do so.

It's their job to be OBJECTIVE, Ami.  That's the whole point.  They aren't even hiding it now.  Bash Palin..bash Palin...oh, Senator Reid made an inapproriate comment...bash Palin  And no, it doesn't mandate that Palin, and Palin alone must do the rebutting, or personally pick someone to speak.  Helpful, yes.  Required, no.  Which frequently has been the SOP.    ::)


If Palin wishes to rebut it, she can do so, or provide the name of someone who will do so on her behalf. All CBS has to do is provide the opportunity.

Which the article has clearly referenced, they have not.  And again, it doesn't require a hand picked spokesperson by Palin.  It simply requires someone with a working knowledge of events.  When a Sports commentator up in a booth is defending a decision the coach made on the field, they're not doing so at the behest of the coach having handpicked them.  Senators and pundits go on Talk shows all the time, providing their commentary, frequently rebutting what someone else said, that they don't agree with, and providing the rationale why.  Why you're fixated on how this has to be Palin rebutting any of this, is.......well, interesting

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Re: And you thought Reid & his accusers were the shameless folk
« Reply #12 on: January 13, 2010, 05:03:40 PM »
It's their job to be OBJECTIVE, Ami.

If they provide her with an opportunity to rebut, and she fails to do so, then they HAVE been objective. You're trying to go back to the "Fairness Doctrine" days where they can't say something against one side without having the other side available as well. "This was reported to us about person X, we got in touch with person X and they refused comment" IS objective. They state what was reported and give the "reported on" a chance to respond. It's the job of a reporter to report facts, and attempt to get all sides, if one of the sides wishes to not speak, it's not the reporter's job to find someone else to speak for the side who declined to speak.

As I said, how you like it if you were going to be reported on by your local news crew, and you refused to speak (whether because you didn't feel like it, or your attorney told you not to comment), so the reporter went and got Mikey Tee to speak for you? Would you be down with that? Even if the reporter clearly announced that you refused comment, but "Mikey assured us that he knew about the situation and would present your side accurately"? Would you feel like that was fair and objective reporting?

Which the article has clearly referenced, they have not.  And again, it doesn't require a hand picked spokesperson by Palin.  It simply requires someone with a working knowledge of events.  When a Sports commentator up in a booth is defending a decision the coach made on the field, they're not doing so at the behest of the coach having handpicked them.

Sports commentators also don't speak for the coaches. They might say what they would do if they were in the same position, but this is hardly "speaking for the coaches."
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Re: And you thought Reid & his accusers were the shameless folk
« Reply #13 on: January 13, 2010, 05:08:26 PM »
It's their job to be OBJECTIVE, Ami.

If they provide her with an opportunity to rebut, and she fails to do so, then they HAVE been objective.

No, they haven't.  and no, I'm not mandating that they are required to provide balance, I'm criticizing their blatant lack of providing balance and acute lack of objectivity.  A distinct difference than those that would wish to stifle free speech


Sports commentators also don't speak for the coaches. They might say what they would do if they were in the same position, but this is hardly "speaking for the coaches."

You're catching on.  I never claimed someone rebutting something negative about X, had to be "speaking for X"
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Re: And you thought Reid & his accusers were the shameless folk
« Reply #14 on: January 13, 2010, 05:17:48 PM »
You're catching on.  I never claimed someone rebutting something negative about X, had to be "speaking for X"

I'm not "catching on" - you're failing to see my point. If you want to use a football analogy, then yours is fatally flawed. One closer to the situation would be:

A reporter interviews a player, who claims that his coach yelled at him in the locker room after a game. The reporter asks the coach about the event, and the coach refuses to comment.

This is objective reporting. What you want to add is:

Reporter now goes to the announcer and asks him whether or not the coach yelled at the player. Announcer chips in his version of what he thinks happened.

This no longer objective reporting (regardless of which side the announcer comes down on). Of course, you're claiming that unless they found an announcer to defend the coach, it wouldn't be objective; this is pure silliness - and the same thing as the "Fairness Doctrine".
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