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Re: Does Obama have any political capital left?
« Reply #15 on: January 20, 2010, 04:48:22 PM »
But....if the economy improves only a little and we get hit again with terrrorism
I think rightly or wrongly Obama will get blamed big-time
Thats where the American People will not like his "nice guy" image
When the American People are attacked they dont want "nice guys" in charge.
If we get attacked anywhere near the 2012 elections Obama will be toast.
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Re: Does Obama have any political capital left?
« Reply #16 on: January 20, 2010, 04:52:47 PM »
We perceive Obama as being Mr. Nice Guy because that is the image he projects but he did increase troop strength in Afghanistan and he has increased the frequency of drone attacks in Pakistan.

Look to the left to see whether he really is Mr. Antiwar

They aren't happy with his military actions, either.



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Re: Does Obama have any political capital left?
« Reply #17 on: January 20, 2010, 05:10:15 PM »
The employment situation is fluid and as more people reenter the workforce the better the chances of Obama being reelected.

Fluidly going down, yea.  How continued increase in unemployment #'s betters Obama's chances is somewhat beyond me.  And no a decrease in the amount of unemployment, if its still going up, is like a trying to say that a decrease in the proposed rate to a budget increase is somehow a cut
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Re: Does Obama have any political capital left?
« Reply #18 on: January 20, 2010, 05:32:16 PM »
"if..............we get hit again.............Obama will get blamed..."

Yeah, just like snowblower. Don't blame the terrorists, blame the US government.

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Re: Does Obama have any political capital left?
« Reply #19 on: January 20, 2010, 05:42:26 PM »
"if..............we get hit again.............Obama will get blamed..."
Yeah, just like snowblower. Don't blame the terrorists, blame the US government.

I see how you conveniently leave out the part where I said rightly or wrongly Obama will be blamed
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Re: Does Obama have any political capital left?
« Reply #20 on: January 20, 2010, 06:49:31 PM »
The employment situation is fluid and as more people reenter the workforce the better the chances of Obama being reelected.

Fluidly going down, yea.  How continued increase in unemployment #'s betters Obama's chances is somewhat beyond me.  And no a decrease in the amount of unemployment, if its still going up, is like a trying to say that a decrease in the proposed rate to a budget increase is somehow a cut

You do understand that as people reenter the workforce they are no longer unemployed and the unemployment figures will go down as well.

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Re: Does Obama have any political capital left?
« Reply #21 on: January 20, 2010, 07:07:49 PM »
hehe......of course.  The issue is perception vs reality.  Unemployment going down, is still going up, even if it is going up less.  Sinking is still sinking.  Until we're in a (+) trend, no matter how less the unemployment #'s are, Obama's ship is still going to be seen as sinking
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Re: Does Obama have any political capital left?
« Reply #22 on: January 20, 2010, 07:14:54 PM »
We are at 10% now depending on who is counted, if we get it down to 5% is Obama still in trouble?

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Re: Does Obama have any political capital left?
« Reply #23 on: January 20, 2010, 07:23:33 PM »
Not near so of course.  I don't see it going in a (+) direction however.  Not with his policies currently in play.  It may blip up for a quater, then take another dive.  I'd expect it to be in the low to mid teens, come 2011
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Re: Does Obama have any political capital left?
« Reply #24 on: January 20, 2010, 10:31:10 PM »
He's an ideologue so you won't see a move to the center nope he's staying on course.

I agree Obama is much more of an ideologue than Clinton, possibly even a radical,
but the economy is cyclical and since it is at the bottom maybe it has no where
to go but up? So if the economy even improves a little it will help Obama.





don't fool yourself -- obama is a radical, just look at his friends, appointments, and his voting record (before becoming POTUS) along with his socialistic programs last year. If obama isn't a radical I'd eat my hat.

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Re: Does Obama have any political capital left?
« Reply #25 on: January 21, 2010, 12:27:04 PM »
Initial jobless claims unexpectedly rise
New jobless claims unexpectedly rise, more people receive extended benefits
By Christopher S. Rugaber, AP Economics Writer
Thursday January 21, 2010


WASHINGTON (AP) -- The number of newly-laid off workers seeking jobless benefits unexpectedly rose last week, as the economy recovers at a slow and uneven pace.

Layoffs have slowed and the economy began to grow in last year's third quarter, but companies are reluctant to hire new workers. The unemployment rate is 10 percent and many economists expect it to increase in the coming months.

The Labor Department said Thursday that initial claims for unemployment insurance rose by 36,000 to a seasonally adjusted 482,000. Wall Street economists expected a small drop, according to Thomson Reuters.

The four-week average, which smooths fluctuations, rose for the first time since August, to 448,250.

The weekly claims figure is volatile and it can take time for trends to emerge. A Labor Department analyst said that much of the increase last week was due to administrative backlogs leftover from the winter holidays in the state agencies that process the claims.

Claims have dropped steadily since last fall, as companies cut fewer jobs. That has caused some economists to hope that hiring may increase soon. Initial claims have dropped by 50,000, or almost 10 percent, since late October.

Still, the economy is not consistently generating net increases in jobs. The Labor Department said earlier this month that employers cut 85,000 jobs in December, after adding only 4,000 in November. November's increase was the first in nearly two years.

Many economists say the four week average of claims will need to fall to below 425,000 to signal that the economy is close to generating net job gains.

Meanwhile, the number of people continuing to claim regular benefits dropped slightly to just under 4.6 million. The continuing claims data lags initial claims by a week.

But the so-called continuing claims do not include millions of people who have used up the regular 26 weeks of benefits customarily provided by states and are now receiving extended benefits for up to 73 additional weeks, paid for by the federal government.

More than 5.9 million are receiving extended benefits in the week ending Jan. 2, the latest data available, an increase of more than 600,000 from the previous week. The data for emergency benefits lags initial claims by two weeks.

The increasing number of people claiming extended unemployment insurance indicates that even as layoffs are declining, hiring hasn't picked up. That leaves people out of work for longer and longer periods of time.

Among the states, California saw the largest increase in claims, with 16,160. Texas, Florida, Pennsylvania and Georgia saw the next largest increases. The state data lags the initial claims data by a week.

Oregon saw the biggest drop in claims, of 5,784, followed by Iowa, Kentucky, Michigan and Massachusetts.


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