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Gates clarifies US Iran policy in Riyadh after Biden fails in Israel

DEBKAfile Exclusive Report
March 10, 2010, 5:37 PM (GMT+02:00)  


US defense secretary Gates in Kabul

US Secretary of Defense Robert Gates arrived in Riyadh Wednesday, March 10, flying in unexpectedly from Kabul in Afghanistan, after the Saudis demanded urgent clarifications of the Obama administration's Iran policy.

debkafile's military sources report that the demand followed the failure of US Vice President Joe Biden's talks with Israeli leaders to resolve their differences on Iran.

As a result, two senior US officials are visiting to Middle East capitals at the same to under pressure to deal with the Iranian nuclear question.

Gates was closeted with Saudi rulers although it was as recently as Feb. 15 that Secretary of State Hillary Clinton visited Riyadh and explained Washington's strategy on Iran to King Abdullah and several senior Saudi princes. But she failed to allay her hosts' intense concerns that the US was doing enough to abort Iran's nuclear weapons program..

Then on Sunday, March 7, US Centcom Commander Gen. David Petraeus, asked by a CNN interviewer, whether countries in the Persian Gulf wish to see a US military attack on Iran, said: "there are countries that would like to see a strike, us or perhaps Israel, even..."

In Israel, where the media are obsessed with the slightest Arab or Palestinian utterance, none cited the US general's comments.

debkafile's military sources report that Petraeus' comments referred mainly to the two main Persian Gulf state, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates. In fact, the UAE foreign minister, referring to the assassination of Hamas member al-Mabhouh, noted this week that his country and Israel see eye to eye on the Iranian issue.

Reports of the Biden conversations in Jerusalem Tuesday have reached Riyadh. They reveal that not only is the Obama administration leaning hard on Israel to abstain from attacking Iran, but is even retreating from harsh sanctions. Such penalties have no been put on hold for five months.

The Saudis are as deeply alarmed by the latest American stance on Iran as the Israelis.

US sources reported that no sooner did the US defense secretary land in Riyadh from Kabul when he was summoned to dinner with King Abdullah and the Saudi defense minister, Crown Prince Sultan. They admitted that he would be required "to present an update to Saudi officials who are intensely concerned about Iran's nuclear program and the fate of the American-led effort to impose new sanctions on Tehran."
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TRANSLATION:  Obama is jeopardizing relations with key regional allies by not caving to Israeli demands for war with Iran.

Obviously more Zio-Nazi propaganda to fan the flames of war hysteria and (ideally) create an even bigger mess for America than the Iraq War.  Why fight your regional enemies if you can manipulate the dumb Americans into doing it for you at their own expense?

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"TRANSLATION:  Obama is jeopardizing relations with key regional allies
by not caving to Israeli demands for war with Iran"


Uh?
did you read the article because what you just said makes no sense.
The Saudis are upset because Obama is a paper-tiger in regard to Iran

Why fight your regional enemies if you can manipulate the dumb Americans
 into doing it for you at their own expense?


Uh?
Again makes no sense in regard to the article.
The jest of the article is that Biden and the US is holding Israel back from attacking the HitlerStarterKits.
Israel wants to attack, but the US is holding it back.
Israel can handle the job if given a green light.
I hope Israel says the hell with green lights and goes ahead anyway.
Plus Israel could force Obama's hand....because Obama would be crucified
if the US didnt stand behind Israel if a major war broke out.
Israel should go for it now!
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<<did you read the article because what you just said makes no sense.
<<The Saudis are upset because Obama is a paper-tiger in regard to Iran>>

Not quite.  The Zio-Nazis CLAIM that the Saudis are upset because Obama is not tough enough against Iran.  Again, this story's purpose is to fan the flames of war hysteria in the U.S. by generating fear - - fear that America is losing the support of key Middle Eastern "allies" by being soft on Iran.


<<The jest of the article is that Biden and the US is holding Israel back from attacking the HitlerStarterKits.
<<Israel wants to attack, but the US is holding it back.>>

That just is not what the article says.  The article indicates that the Saudis are upset that the U.S. doesn't attack Iran, that (again, according to the Zio-Nazi source, DEBKA) they might even be upset that Israel is not allowed to attack Iran, and finally that the U.S. appears to be retreating from its demand for sanctions.

Here is the quote from the article itself:

<<But she [Hillary] failed to allay her hosts' intense concerns that the US was doing enough to abort Iran's nuclear weapons program..

<<Then on Sunday, March 7, US Centcom Commander Gen. David Petraeus, asked by a CNN interviewer, whether countries in the Persian Gulf wish to see a US military attack on Iran, said: "there are countries that would like to see a strike, us or perhaps Israel, even..."  [the use of the word "even" obviously indicating a very strong preference by the unnamed countries that it be the U.S. rather than Israel that would attack Iran.]>>

<<debkafile's military sources report that Petraeus' comments referred mainly to the two main Persian Gulf state, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates. In fact, the UAE foreign minister, referring to the assassination of Hamas member al-Mabhouh, noted this week that his country and Israel see eye to eye on the Iranian issue.>>  [Clearly indicating that where the U.S. does NOT "see eye to eye" with Israel on the Iranian issue, it is not only alienating Israel, but also the UAE, another supposed "ally" of the U.S. in the region]

<<Reports of the Biden conversations in Jerusalem Tuesday have reached Riyadh. They reveal that not only is the Obama administration leaning hard on Israel to abstain from attacking Iran, but is even retreating from harsh sanctions. Such penalties have no been put on hold for five months.>>

Again attempting to "prove" that by not being harder on Iran, the Obama administration is going against not only Israel, but also the UAE and Saudi Arabia.  

Why is DEBKA (the voice of the Zio-Nazis) so anxious to make these points?  Because they KNOW that the American people are starting to get wise to the fact that the Iraq war was eagerly promoted by the Zio-Nazis, who wanted to see a key regional enemy (the Saddam Hussein regime) and a strong Arab defender of Palestinian rights (Iraq) totally neutralized or destroyed.  Because they KNOW that in the wake of the Iraq war disaster, the same Zio-Nazi interests are now pushing hard for war between the U.S. and Iran.  The aim of DEBKA is to deflect attention from the Zio-Nazi push for a U.S.-Iran war by claiming, "See?  It isn't the Jews who want this war, it's our Arab allies in the region, who we'll lose if we don't attack Iran or at least allow the Zio-Nazis to do so."  

THAT was the whole point of the DEBKA article.





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THAT was the whole point of the DEBKA article.

No the whole point of the article is exactly what my title said it was:
"Saudi King Abdullah calls US Defense Secretary Gates in for a spanking!"
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You are just being willfully blind to the implications of what's right in front of you.

The whole language of the article - - "Saudis demand . . . ," "Saudis deeply alarmed," etc. indicates that by NOT doing as the Israelis want them to do, the Obama admin is badly fucking up and alienating a key NON-ISRAELI ally in the region.  Thus creating the impression that attacking Iran is not just something that the Israelis want, but something that both the Saudis and the UAE also want.

And the reason why Zio-Nazi source DEBKA needs to make that point and create that impression is because their own analysis of U.S. public opinion probably indicates that the time is either fast approaching or perhaps already at the point where a lot of Americans are getting the impression, rightly or wrongly, that the Israel Lobby is driving U.S. Middle East policy to the huge detriment of the U.S.A., which of course could be a potential threat to the enormously one-sided support that Israel has been getting from the U.S.

Personally, I don't think any tipping point has yet been reached, but more and more Americans are becoming aware of the Israel Lobby, its strength, power and influence, and the degree to which it has pushed disastrous pro-Israel policies on the U.S. government that run directly counter to the national interest and embroil the U.S. in totally avoidable wars and other armed and unarmed conflicts with the Muslim and Arab world.  Policies, incidentally, which are also potentially disastrous for the Israelis themselves and the State of Israel. 

DEBKAfile sees the tipping point too, and this article is nothing but a lame attempt to forestall it.

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"The whole language of the article - - "Saudis demand . . . ," "Saudis deeply alarmed," etc"

You don't think the Saudis, UAE, and others are concerned about Iran?

"creating the impression that attacking Iran is not just something that the Israelis want,
but something that both the Saudis and the UAE also want"


Again....you think the Saudis, the UAE, and others won't be happy to see Iran put in it's place?

the time is either fast approaching or perhaps already at the point where a lot of Americans are getting the impression, rightly or wrongly, that the Israel Lobby is driving U.S. Middle East policy to the huge detriment of the U.S.A

LOL....you live in a fantasy land....the US public is very supportive of the State of Israel. In fact you are
about as wrong as possible. US public support for Isreal is at or near an ALL TIME HIGH!

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"The whole language of the article - - "Saudis demand . . . ," "Saudis deeply alarmed," etc"

You don't think the Saudis, UAE, and others are concerned about Iran?

The language of the article was not necessarily quoted verbatim, but in my recent and in-depth experience work experience, Saudis in high places, in general, like pounding their fists and demanding things.

And I don't think they are concerned, or rather, not any more concerned than their financial interests run. Same with Emirates.

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And I don't think they are concerned, or rather, not any more concerned than
their financial interests run. Same with Emirates.

The Saudis (Sunni) are quite concerned about the intentions of Iran (Shia).

In fact most experts think that if Iran goes nuclear that Saudi Arabia will soon follow suit.

The Saudi's supported Iraq in the Iran/Iraq war.

Currently Saudi Arabia and Iran are fighting a proxy war in Yemen.

The Saudis would love to see Iran spanked, but they worry about
how that can be done and if it would create a wider war.
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Re: Saudi King Abdullah calls US Defense Secretary Gates in for a spanking!
« Reply #10 on: March 11, 2010, 06:04:41 PM »
<<You don't think the Saudis, UAE, and others are concerned about Iran?>>

They might not like everything Iran does, but the rulers of Saudi Arabia, the UAE, and other client states of the U.S.A. are sitting on a powder keg and are most concerned about the status quo.  The Iranians backing various Shi'ite groups outside their own borders is of course a concern of theirs, but viewed as a disturbance of the status quo, it's a very minor disturbance.  I would guess that they are not too concerned about Iranian attacks on neighbouring countries, since the Iranians haven't launched any invasions in over 200 years.  War on Iran would be a major disturbance of the status quo.  None of these U.S. puppets is "the people's choice," let alone democratically elected.  When the boats start a-rockin and the waves get bigger and bigger, it's not clear exactly what happens to the thrones of these puppets, but I'm sure none of them wants to take a chance and find out.

<<Again....you think the Saudis, the UAE, and others won't be happy to see Iran put in it's place?>>

Not the way the Israelis are pressing for.

<<LOL....you live in a fantasy land....the US public is very supportive of the State of Israel. >>

I already agreed to that.  This issue is how long that kind of stupidity can be expected to last.

<<In fact you are about as wrong as possible. US public support for Isreal is at or near an ALL TIME HIGH!>>

I find that very hard to believe, especially considering the consequences of following the Zio-Nazi line are starting to pile up and also considering the publication of the Walt and Mearsheimer book  that exposed the Lobby and its influence.

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Re: Saudi King Abdullah calls US Defense Secretary Gates in for a spanking!
« Reply #11 on: March 12, 2010, 04:43:46 AM »
The Dear Miss Henny returns.  Even if brief, her comments are indeed welcomed (even when not completely agreed upon   8)   )

Thanks, Sirs. BTW, I'm always reading in here, but through an RSS feed so you don't often see me logged in unless I want to see the whole conversation.

I don't respond much because I feel like I'm living in another universe from the politics discussed in here. (I guess I am kind of in a different universe!)

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Re: Saudi King Abdullah calls US Defense Secretary Gates in for a spanking!
« Reply #12 on: March 12, 2010, 05:03:53 AM »
And I don't think they are concerned, or rather, not any more concerned than
their financial interests run. Same with Emirates.

The Saudis (Sunni) are quite concerned about the intentions of Iran (Shia).

In fact most experts think that if Iran goes nuclear that Saudi Arabia will soon follow suit.

The Saudi's supported Iraq in the Iran/Iraq war.

Currently Saudi Arabia and Iran are fighting a proxy war in Yemen.

The Saudis would love to see Iran spanked, but they worry about
how that can be done and if it would create a wider war.

CU4, I don't doubt that the Sunni/Shia contention IS a concern, but I'm pretty sure the biggest concern is about money for the Saudis. And the news I'm reading supports that - see next which shows that they are unsure about sanctions. Why unsure? Money.

Gulf states wary of Iran's nukes and of sanctions
By Paul Handley, in Riyadh for AFP
Published: 3:37PM GMT 11 Mar 2010
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/expat/expatnews/7421827/Gulf-states-wary-of-Irans-nukes-and-of-sanctions.html

Robert Gates, the US defense secretary, was in the Gulf on Wednesday and Thursday seeking support for a new round of UN sanctions to press Tehran to halt its drive to acquire a nuclear weapons capability.

Gates told King Abdullah, the Crown Prince and Defence Minister Prince Sultan bin Abdul Aziz, and other top security officials that Iran had "largely rebuffed" US overtures for a conciliatory dialogue, and that Washington was now focused on ramping up pressure on Tehran, according to a US defence official.

Gates was only the latest of several high level US visitors, including Hillary Clinton, the Secretary of State, and Steven Chu, the energy secretary, who have pounded the path to Riyadh to sell Saudi leaders on more pressure on Tehran.

But Saudi Arabia and the other Gulf states remain dubious about whether heightened economic sanctions would be supported by enough countries to be effective, and whether they would have the intended impact on Tehran.

"We have a shared interest in preventing Iran from becoming a nuclear power," said Mustafa Alani, research director at the Gulf Research Centre, a Dubai think tank.

However, he said: "We don't recognise economic sanctions as going to change the Iranians' mind. If there are sanctions, it will accelerate their nuclear programme."

The support of the Gulf states is crucial, both to put real economic pressure on Iran - through trade and financial measures - and to ensure no disruption to global energy needs by a change to Iranian oil exports.

With their internationally crucial oil production facilities lining the western banks of the Gulf, along with other vulnerable infrastructure like power and water stations, Saudi Arabia and the other Gulf states are also most vulnerable to an outbreak of hostilities.

"They don't want to confront (Iran) because they are on the front line," said Shahram Chubin, a nuclear policy specialist at the Carnegie Endowment for International peace in Washington.

The Saudis have avoided getting on board publicly with Washington's sanctions drive, though they have made efforts.

In recent Riyadh talks they have sought to persuade leaders of India and China, major customers for both Iranian and Saudi oil, to help put pressure on Tehran.

According to an unconfirmed Washington Post report, the Saudi foreign minister, Prince Saud al-Faisal, travelled to Beijing early this month to discuss the issue.

"We think that China can pressure the Iranians more and more for a solution," said Alani.

Saudis have also repeatedly said they have a spare oil production capacity of four million barrels a day - more than 40 per cent above current output - that could replace interrupted Iranian oil exports.

Other Gulf states, notably the United Arab Emirates, are also reported to have promised to up oil production if the markets need it.

Saudis support but still distrust the US approach, thinking it will simply provoke Tehran, said Chubin.

"I think they are sceptical about US ability to marshall adequate support for sanctions," he said.

But, he added: "They want it both ways, they don't want to be identified with US policy."

The Gulf states will go along if they think Washington is truly committed, he added. "Dubai and the others will do it if the US convinces them it is serious," he said.

US credibility on the issue took a blow in the past week when The New York Times reported that Washington has awarded more than $107 billion in payments to foreign and US companies doing business in Iran despite existing US sanctions.

The Gulf states have offered few of their own ideas publicly except to pursue negotiations.

Cryptically, during Clinton's visit to Riyadh on February 15, the Saudi foreign minister, Prince Saud al-Faisal, criticised sanctions for being too slow working..

"Sanctions are a long-term solution," Saud said. "We see the issue in the shorter term because we are closer to the threat ... We need an immediate resolution."

Did he mean that Riyadh backed a US or Israeli surgical strike on Iran's nuclear facilities, some asked?

One interpretation was that Riyadh sees that immediate progress on the Israeli-Palestinian problem would remove an arena where Iran projects its regional power and tests Riyadh's, supporting radical groups like Hamas and Hezbollah that the Saudis oppose.

"More important to us is the Iranian intervention in Arab affairs," said Mansour al-Mansour, head of the Centre for Strategic Studies, a government-linked think tank in Riyadh.

"It's more realistic to focus on what is causing instability around us."

The Gulf states nevertheless are not burying their heads in the sand. The Saudis, the UAE and others are building up their naval capacity and missile defence systems - with Washington's help - to steel themselves against Iran's military buildup.

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Re: Saudi King Abdullah calls US Defense Secretary Gates in for a spanking!
« Reply #13 on: March 12, 2010, 08:11:11 AM »
Henny a clear majority of Saudis support tough sanctions against Iran and
almost a third of Saudis support a US military strike against Iranian nuclear facilities.
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Re: Saudi King Abdullah calls US Defense Secretary Gates in for a spanking!
« Reply #14 on: March 12, 2010, 09:38:16 AM »
Biden did not fail. Just when they finally got things set up for talks, Netanyahu announced a new invasion of over a thousand apartments for ultra-Orthodox Jews: the really obnoxious ones, that will break your windshield for driving on the Sabbath, in the contested territory of East Jerusalem. Just as expected, it broke the deal. But Biden canot be blamed for this: it is pure, unadulterated Netanyahu. He wants no talks, he will make no deals, he loves the status quo. The Hamas rockets are merely a minor annoyance, and Palestinian sovereignty would mean that his party would be voted out of power,as he would lose his bogus reputation as a "tough negotiator". This is what they are saying, even in Israel.
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