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sirs

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Why I haven't been a Republican for many years now
« on: March 11, 2010, 01:39:16 PM »
Republican collectivism
Posted: March 11, 2010

The most disturbing part of the Obamacare debate is not about where Republicans and Democrats disagree, but where they agree.

Take this issue of those with pre-existing illnesses. Many Republicans actually support government action to prevent insurance companies from refusing to insure them. Ignoring the benefits of cost-lowering free market competition and the role of charity, many Republicans believe it acceptable to force an insurance company ? in business to insure against unknown risks ? to "insure" someone currently experiencing a known risk.

Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla., supports legislation to "eliminate pre-existing conditions" as a reason for a carrier to deny coverage. Sen. John Barrasso, R-Wyo., says government needs "to take care of things like pre-existing conditions so that that doesn't stop (people) from getting insurance." Sen. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, supports prohibiting "insurers from denying coverage to people with pre-existing medical conditions or charging higher premiums to people who are sick."

But this should not surprise anyone who observes the allegedly "fiscally conservative," "pro-free market," "limited government" party in action. From the acceptance of the New Deal to government bailouts of private industry, Republicans ? sooner or later ? go along.

Here are just a few recent examples. Republican President George W. Bush, for a time, worked with a Republican House and Senate. Bush promised and delivered a prescription benefits bill for seniors. It expanded Medicare, the popular under-funded entitlement program passed ? with Republican support, by the way ? in 1965. We like seniors. Seniors vote. So if they struggle with their drugs bills, why, by all means make someone else help pay them.

On the 10th anniversary of the Americans with Disabilities Act, signed into law by his father, Bush bragged about the law's importance and effectiveness. That such an assault on private employers engenders praise says much about the GOP's acceptance of federal government's command and control.

Like Hamlet, Bush agonized over whether to support federal funds for embryonic stem-cell research. He never said, "Why are we asking government to spend taxpayer money on research that is ? or should be ? done by the private sector or nonprofits?"

No Child Left Behind ties federal dollars to local schools' performance. Where is the outrage about taxpayers in one state paying for education in another? What gives educrats in Washington, D.C., the skills, wisdom and competence to run schools in all 50 states? More importantly, what clause in the Constitution permits this? Presidential candidate Ronald Reagan campaigned to shut down the Department of Education. Reagan failed. Today any candidate making such promises gets a one-way ticket to Shutter Island.

The entire Obamacare debate starts off in the wrong place ? with Republicans agreeing that "reform" is necessary, health care "costs too much" and that government must "make health care more affordable." But it is because of government ? laws, regulations and policies ? that users pay more for services and drugs than they otherwise would.

Licensing requirements restrict potential caregivers. A non-doctor field medic in Iraq or Afghanistan could not come home, hang up a shingle and render basic care without facing prosecution. Despite our aging population, trade associations, along with laws and regulations, restrict the number of doctors. Insurance companies enjoy protected markets because laws restrict carriers from competing across state lines. The Food and Drug Administration increases the cost of drugs while delaying or keeping possibly beneficial drugs off the market

Republicans ran for the exits when Bush attempted a partial privatization of Social Security. And they should encourage a full-throated deregulation/privatization of the health-care industry. After airline deregulation, fares declined. After telephone deregulation, telecommunications companies started providing a numbing array of services ? along with better quality, lower prices and constant innovation.

Because government pays for nearly half of medical costs, we have a nation of government-provided-health-care dependents. Understandably, they want what they currently have or expect to have in the near future. But Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security are steadily gnawing away at the country's foundation. The bill is coming due.

In 1900, government at all levels ? federal, state and local ? took about 7 percent of America's income. Today it's almost 40 percent. And that doesn't include an estimated 10 percent cost in federal unfunded mandates imposed on states and private business. President Barack Obama and Democrats want to add more than 30 million people ? those without health insurance ? to the takers, with little or no concern about the effect on the givers.

Are Republicans sounding the alarm about government's present intrusion in health care and its counterproductive effect on quality, affordability and accessibility? Government, they should argue and persuade, grows at the expense of the productive. This eventually weakens the country by sapping the incentive of risk takers. This makes it harder ? not easier ? to help those we claim to care about.

A collectivist, whether an active or passive one, is still a collectivist. Having an "R" after the name provides no defense.


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Re: Why I haven't been a Republican for many years now
« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2010, 01:48:22 PM »
So what is your non republican solution to the problem of "pre-existing condition" coverage?


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Re: Why I haven't been a Republican for many years now
« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2010, 01:54:15 PM »
So what is your non republican solution to the problem of "pre-existing condition" coverage?

My solution would be to change the time limit - increase the 6 month limit for waiving of the condition, and the reduce 12 month limit for the actual "pre-existing condition" exclusion. One page bill.
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Re: Why I haven't been a Republican for many years now
« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2010, 02:22:04 PM »
I can work with that, even if Elder wouldn't agree
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Re: Why I haven't been a Republican for many years now
« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2010, 03:08:29 PM »
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My solution would be to change the time limit - increase the 6 month limit for waiving of the condition, and the reduce 12 month limit for the actual "pre-existing condition" exclusion. One page bill.


How does that differ from what is in the current ObamaCare Bill?

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Re: Why I haven't been a Republican for many years now
« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2010, 03:19:19 PM »
How does that differ from what is in the current ObamaCare Bill?

How would I know? Has the current bill been published?
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Re: Why I haven't been a Republican for many years now
« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2010, 03:42:41 PM »
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My solution would be to change the time limit - increase the 6 month limit for waiving of the condition, and the reduce 12 month limit for the actual "pre-existing condition" exclusion. One page bill.

How does that differ from what is in the current ObamaCare Bill?

I doubt seriously that it requires 2000+pages to outline the suggestion Ami made
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Re: Why I haven't been a Republican for many years now
« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2010, 03:52:43 PM »
the problem with healthcare is too many voters got denied or can`t financially get immediate medical help.

ex. if you got a sprain ankle and have kaiser.
your co-pay is $85 and only get partial coverage on the treatment.

so you need to bank at least $300 fron now on for any injuries you`ll get and hope it`s enough.

but this is kaiser.

more likely it`ll cost even more with other insurance.

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Re: Why I haven't been a Republican for many years now
« Reply #8 on: March 11, 2010, 04:05:19 PM »
Again, try not to confuse healthcare with health insurance.  Nor are either a right
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Re: Why I haven't been a Republican for many years now
« Reply #9 on: March 11, 2010, 04:12:31 PM »
If the Bill hasn't been published what is Elder going off about?

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Re: Why I haven't been a Republican for many years now
« Reply #10 on: March 11, 2010, 04:15:50 PM »
If the Bill hasn't been published what is Elder going off about?

The only mention of Obamacare is in the lead in paragraph where he discusses what many mainstream Republicans agree with Democrats should be in the bill. The article in the OP does not discuss the Obamacare bill, but discusses healthcare legislation in general.
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Re: Why I haven't been a Republican for many years now
« Reply #11 on: March 11, 2010, 04:21:36 PM »
If the Bill hasn't been published what is Elder going off about?

I think if you read the article, it's largely in the capitulation of a whole host Republicans, signing onto the rhetoric connected to that of the legislation being proposed, including that of complete coverage of apparently all pre-existing conditions, no if's, and's, or but's.  But that wasn't the only thing obviously.  The continued extrasconstitutional grab by Government doesn't sit well either with conservative minded folk.  Be it Obamacare, or NCLB, or unfunded Federal mandates up & down the aisle
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Re: Why I haven't been a Republican for many years now
« Reply #12 on: March 11, 2010, 04:50:40 PM »
So, suppose, someone has insurance at X company and gets cancer. Then X company lays off a bunch of people, and now this person gets a job at Y company. But his/her cancer is now a pre-existing condition and is excluded from coverage. How does sirs' clever comment give this person the treatment they require to get well?
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Re: Why I haven't been a Republican for many years now
« Reply #13 on: March 11, 2010, 04:59:55 PM »
You seriously want me to answer a question of yours while you repeatedly avoid answering any direct questions of mine??

Boy, talk about delusional

Delsusional is also the notion that someone else's time, work, and resources, is the right of another.  Once certain folks can grasp that hurdle, the realm of more rational problem solving can take place
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Re: Why I haven't been a Republican for many years now
« Reply #14 on: March 11, 2010, 05:03:44 PM »
just to be clear
supporting the ban on pre-existing exclusions really means
"my healthcare may cost $800K, but I will most likely only pay in $100K"
"so I want everyone else to pitch in for my healthcare
"
fine...but lets just be clear
unless one has a printing press to print money...the math does not work
and of course printing press math doesnt work either
i am not saying I have the answer....
but insurance companies dont exclude pre-existing because they are evil
they exclude pre-existing because the math doesn't work
even if you took all ins company profits...the math still doesnt work
if we have lots of people that pay in $100K but draw out $900K
reality is what it is.....and the answer will be healthcare rationing to cover the huge gap
between funding and claims

ps: i've never been a republican....only a conservative....party means NOTHING!
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