A sad time for America

[sirs]

When our Government, one that the founders expressly arranged to limit what they could do/impose on the people, now can tax people simply because they can, and mandate they purchase a service, because it's simply the "right thing to do", Constitution be damned, is setting itself up to be able to impose whatever other draconian requirements, or should I say "sacrafices" are needed, as deemed by those who simply know better than us

And it's not surprising when advocated by those who hate America, (Tee & Castro come to mind).  They have no problem watching our economy be pushed off the deep end, and more of our freedoms be hamstrung, but when it comes from those who I know care for America, care for its people, and have the "best intentions" at heart, that's when I feel pretty discouraged & disappointed.  

The sham of Obamacare "saving us money and lowering healthcare costs" has been highlighted for all to see.  The manipulation of revenue #'s, double counting the Medicare half a trillion robbery, (that's REALLY going to hit the elderly the hardest), and the multiple back-room deals to get congresscritters to flip their no votes, is bad enough.  There is no Constitutional authority given to congress to impose such a mandate upon the populace.  The mandate for auto insurance has the connection on a priviledge (read; NOT right) to drive an auto.  This is a tax for simply being

NEVER has our country tried to pull such low. Not since the days of slavery, has our Government demonstrated such a level of immoral behavior.  Oh we've acted badly many a time, but this effort takes the cake.  And its 100% Democrat.  All I can say, is We, the electorate, can't get to November, soon enough

[Kramer]

When our Government, one that the founders expressly arranged to limit what they could do/impose on the people, now can tax people simply because they can, and mandate they purchase a service, because it's simply the "right thing to do", Constitution be damned, is setting itself up to be able to impose whatever other draconian requirements, or should I say "sacrafices" are needed, as deemed by those who simply know better than us

And it's not surprising when advocated by those who hate America, (Tee & Castro come to mind).  They have no problem watching our economy be pushed off the deep end, and more of our freedoms be hamstrung, but when it comes from those who I know care for America, care for its people, and have the "best intentions" at heart, that's when I feel pretty discouraged & disappointed. 

The sham of Obamacare "saving us money and lowering healthcare costs" has been highliged for all to see.  The manipulation of revenue #'s, double counting the Medicare half a trillion robery, (that's REALLY going to hit the elderly the hardest), and the multiple back-room deals to get congresscritters to flip their no votes, is bad enough.  There is no Constitutional authority given to congress to impose such a mandate upon the populace.  The mandate for auto insurance has the connection on a priviledge (read; NOT right) to drive an auto.  This is a tax for simply being

NEVER has our country tried to pull such low. Not since the days of slavery, has our Government demonstrated such a level of immoral behavior.  Oh we've acted badly many a time, but this effort takes the cake.  And its 100% Democrat.  All I can say, is We, the electorate, can't get to November, soon enough

The dumbing down began over 30 years ago. It's finally achieved it's goal. We now have stupid, moronic, uneducated people that are able to vote into high office equally stupid, moronic, uneducated people.

On top of that the people who are intelligent enough to see it, like you and me, are like Bambie caught in the headlights. We are truly screwed. Soon it will be every man for himself. Really what more can I do? I vote, call, write letters and show up at rallies. That does not seem to be working all that well.

[sirs]

Nov isn't that too far away, Kramer.  Then we can defund this monster, pretty quick, before too much damage is imposed, then when Obama is voted out of office, can we potentially/hopefully repeal it.

[Christians4LessGvt]

When our Government, one that the founders expressly arranged to limit what they could do/impose on the people, now can tax people simply because they can, and mandate they purchase a service, because it's simply the "right thing to do",

SIRS and one thing that kind of gets missed in all this is what it means when you turn your healthcare over to the gvt. It can obviously open up a huge "can of worms". A person's health can involve so many things and when someone else "controls" your healthcare down the road they can start saying "well smoking causes additional heathcare costs so we are outlawing cigarettes" or "eating fast food causes additional health problems and since we pay for the healthcare we are outlawing fastfood"...or "sodas contribute to obesity and obesity causes health problems and we are paying for your healthcare so we are outlawing sodas" or "beer, whiskey can cause health problems and since we pay for liver health problems we are going to outlaw beer and whiskey" ......sure this wouldn't all happen overnight....the Left uses incrementalism to sneek in their CONTROL AGENDA....they already are slowing working on many of the issues I just listed.....they wanna control people! I am telling you....I agree with Michael Savage 100%....liberalism which is about controlling people....is a mental illness.

[Kramer]

Nov isn't that too far away, Kramer.  Then we can defund this monster, pretty quick, before too much damage is imposed, then when Obama is voted out of office, can we potentially/hopefully repeal it.

I'm am looking at November like a beacon leading me to safety. If that doesn't work then it truly will be every man for himself.

[Kramer]

When our Government, one that the founders expressly arranged to limit what they could do/impose on the people, now can tax people simply because they can, and mandate they purchase a service, because it's simply the "right thing to do",

SIRS and one thing that kind of gets missed in all this is what it means when you turn your healthcare over to the gvt. It can obviosuly open up a huge "can of worms". A person's health can involve so many things and when someone else "controls" your healthcare down the road they can start saying "well smoking causes additional heathcare costs so we are outlawing cigarettes" or "eating fast food causes additional health problems and since we pay for the healthcare we are outlawing fastfood"...or "sodas contribute to obesity and obesity causes health problems and we are paying for your healthcare so we are outlawing sodas" or "beer, whiskey can cause health problems and since we pay for liver health problems we are going to outlaw beer and whiskey" ......sure this wouldn't all happen overnight....the Left uses incrementalism to sneek in their CONTROL AGENDA....they already are slowing working on many of the issues I just listed.....they wanna control people! I am telling you....I agree with Michael Savage 100%....liberalism which is about controlling people....is a mental illness.

I disagree with you in that the current path is full steam ahead not incremental-ism. Damn the go slow like boiling a frog this current bunch of thugs sees this as a once in a lifetime opportunity to take control. Having the presidency, house and senate these people are going for it. They have no intention of using incremental-ism at this point. That used to be the game plan before the moron voters gave the Democrat Party a golden opportunity to ruin our nation.

[Christians4LessGvt]

I'm am looking at November like a beacon leading me to safety. If that doesn't work then it truly will be every man for himself.

Next Obama and his henchmen will move on to immigration and try to give amnesty to as many
poor, uneducated illegals as possible to hopefully get them all registered and ready to vote in
2012.

[Christians4LessGvt]

I disagree with you in that the current path is full steam ahead not incremental-ism

If you think this is the end game you are crazy!
It is just the 1st Quarter.
You ain't seen nuttin yet.
They have much more CONTROL PEOPLE AGENDA yet to do.
They just cant do it all it once.
Just like this healthcare trojan horse is the first salvo of incrementalism.
In a year, two, three, they will start on the SINGLE PAYER healthcare system.
They just know they cant get that passed yet....so they take what they can incrementally.

[Kramer]

I disagree with you in that the current path is full steam ahead not incremental-ism

If you think this is the end game you are crazy!
It is just the 1st Quarter.
You ain't seen nuttin yet.
They have much more CONTROL PEOPLE AGENDA yet to do.
They just cant do it all it once.
Just like this healthcare trojan horse is the first salvo of incrementalism.
In a year, two, three, they will start on the SINGLE PAYER healthcare system.
They just know they cant get that passed yet....so they take what they can incrementally.

As far as I'm concerned Obama et al are moving along their bloodless coup pretty quickly. I don't see it as one thing at a time. From the day Obama infested the White House he has had a multi-pronged attack. In other words he has infiltrated every sector of our government with Marxist socialists from the FCC to the EPA and he is moving quickly to control all aspects of the government with the willing help of a Democrat controlled House & Senate. Appointments sail through, the press does not report on the radicals that are being appointed to high positions. This take-over is moving swiftly. Obama has succeeded in fundamentally transforming our nation in 14 month.

[sirs]

Obama has succeeded in fundamentally transforming our nation in 14 month.

That was one of his predominant campaign pledges

[Religious Dick]

Nov isn't that too far away, Kramer.  Then we can defund this monster, pretty quick, before too much damage is imposed, then when Obama is voted out of office, can we potentially/hopefully repeal it.

I'm am looking at November like a beacon leading me to safety. If that doesn't work then it truly will be every man for himself.

That's what I'm afraid of. The Republicans have a long history of riding Democrat reforms into office with promises of repeal, only to have the repeal shimmy up a rope and vanish. After having been burned enough times, I'm not sure I trust them now.

[sirs]

I have to concur some with RD.  It's one of the reasons I'm an Independent, and not a Republican.  They can say all the right things, to get elected, but once there.............too often its SOPolitician     

[Kramer]

I have to concur some with RD.  It's one of the reasons I'm an Independent, and not a Republican.  They can say all the right things, to get elected, but once there.............too often its SOPolitician     

Never forget that these days you don't vote for the person but rather the party so yes Dick is correct. But we are living in much changed times right now so in Nov we might have a change of heart from the Rep Party. Any sane person would have to recognize the peril our country is in and in turn they would have to step up and do the right thing for the country. These are the people that need to get elected. Of course with the ececption of Democrats. There isn't a single Democrat that should be trusted or ever elected to high office.

[Xavier_Onassis]

There is not a single person that Kramer the doofus admires that should be allowed within a hundred miles of DC.

[sirs]

Great rebuttal, Xo.  I'm sure your students would be proud