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sirs

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Re: What seperation of Church & State?
« Reply #45 on: May 15, 2010, 06:27:03 PM »
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It just makes her look bad, if indeed she never used similar rhetoric, and as leader of her party, it would fall to being an obligation, if she didn't want her party and herself looking so hypocritical.

I don't see how the actions of others reflects on her

I wouldn't either, IF whe were not the leader of the House Democrat party


and i don't see where she is obligated to denounce those in her party she disagrees with.

I already made it cyrstal clear that this isn't about some simple disagreement.  This is in reference to overt hypocrisy, on a level referencing the so-called seperation of church & state


And as Speaker of the House it really isn't her job to do so.

Sure, .... if she doens't care about looking bad, by not


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Kinda like when the GOP would denounce some of the garbage that David Duke was pushing

Never saw the need for that. He ran as a Republican, he didn't represent the Republican party.

I did, as he did appear to make the GOP party leadership look bad



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Re: What seperation of Church & State?
« Reply #46 on: May 15, 2010, 06:34:16 PM »

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Re: What seperation of Church & State?
« Reply #47 on: May 15, 2010, 07:09:23 PM »
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I did, as he did appear to make the GOP party leadership look bad

I thought you were an independent.


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Re: What seperation of Church & State?
« Reply #48 on: May 15, 2010, 07:10:11 PM »
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0609/23510.html


Obamas religous nature.

And Kagan supports faith based initiatives.


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Re: What seperation of Church & State?
« Reply #49 on: May 15, 2010, 07:13:33 PM »
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I did, as he did appear to make the GOP party leadership look bad

I thought you were an independent.

I have to be a member of the GOP to make a claim that they looked bad?  Then apparently I'm not allowed to make claims to the looks of the Democrat party either, being I'm not a member

Damn, this is going to make the inventory of what I'm allowed to opine on pretty narrow      :-\
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Re: What seperation of Church & State?
« Reply #50 on: May 15, 2010, 07:17:58 PM »
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I have to be a member of the GOP to make a claim that they looked bad?

Which was not the reason you gave for Pelosi having to denounce hypocritical members of her party, that she should because they made her look bad. Even if the hypocrisy was not hers.


So did Duke make you look bad?


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Re: What seperation of Church & State?
« Reply #51 on: May 15, 2010, 07:26:35 PM »
No, he made the GOP leadership look bad.  I supported their denouncing him
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Re: What seperation of Church & State?
« Reply #52 on: May 15, 2010, 07:33:16 PM »
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No, he made the GOP leadership look bad.

Because?

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Re: What seperation of Church & State?
« Reply #53 on: May 15, 2010, 07:37:31 PM »
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Re: What seperation of Church & State?
« Reply #54 on: May 15, 2010, 07:52:19 PM »
Are you a subscriber to the group guilt mindset?

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Re: What seperation of Church & State?
« Reply #55 on: May 15, 2010, 08:04:55 PM »
As my answers have consistently demonstrated, I'm a subscriber to the responsible leadership mindset
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Re: What seperation of Church & State?
« Reply #56 on: May 15, 2010, 09:17:36 PM »
Seems to me responsible leadership is about focusing on people and events that you have control over.


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Re: What seperation of Church & State?
« Reply #57 on: May 15, 2010, 09:56:05 PM »
http://www.speroforum.com/a/15970/Nancy-Pelosi-opines-on-Catholic-Church--abortion

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D) was asked to comment on when life begins. Democrat Pelosi said “I would say that as an ardent, practicing Catholic, this is an issue that I have studied for a long time. And what I know is, over the centuries, the doctors of the Church have not been able to make that definition.”  


http://www.speroforum.com/a/32922/The-Gospel-According-to-Nancy-Pelosi

Of course, the church-state issue has been greatly distorted in this country. The Constitution is crystal clear: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." Therefore, cultural signs of spirituality such as crosses and stars of David are perfectly permissible in public places as long as authorities don't force Americans to believe what they stand for. Also, there are plenty of issues that cross political and moral boundaries, such as abortion and, yes, how to treat illegal immigrants. Certainly, religious leaders have a right to address them in moral terms.

So Pelosi is partially correct. Moral issues should be addressed by the clergy, and if they are relevant to current legislation, so be it. But you can't cherry pick your issue, Madame Speaker, and the Gospels are quite clear about the sanctity of life. Are they not?
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Re: What seperation of Church & State?
« Reply #58 on: May 16, 2010, 04:02:29 AM »
Seems to me responsible leadership is about focusing on people and events that you have control over.

Leadership is leadership, be it a University Tennis Coach or the Speaker of the House, of the U.S.....often leading by example, but just as often helping to guide those who you represent, and when necessary, scold those who don't act appropriate.
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Re: What seperation of Church & State?
« Reply #59 on: May 16, 2010, 12:01:05 PM »
I guess two things need to be considered by your "leader".

One whether the behavior actually is inappropriate or simply different.

And two, if necessary, is this scolding done publicly or privately.