Obama lawyers want the military to continue to bar openly gay people!

[Christians4LessGvt]

SIRS it's kind of funny that the gvt is going to tell us how to recycle and protect the environment
when the US Federal Government is the biggest polluter in the country.
Did you know the US Military is exempt from many environmental laws?
And some of the worst toxic dumps are on military bases/facilities.
It's funny how that usually works.
The "know-it-alls" say one thing and live another way.
Like George Bush's Crawford Ranch is much more enviro friendly than loudmouth Gore's house.

[BT]

Here is some more info on LA's DWP

http://san.lacity.org/solid_resources/refuse/services/equipment_charge.htm

[sirs]

and......?

But to answer Cu4, it's a perfect window into why this state has fallen so far, so fast.  San Fran and LA, and the gerrymandered Democrat majority that run Sacramento have absolutely driven this state into ruin.....with the irony that most, if not all their policies are "for our own good"

[BT]

Kimba was on the right track.

Recycling isn't as much an environmental issue as it is an income stream for cash strapped municipalities.

[sirs]

Kimba was also right that this should merely be a temporary program to deal with a "problem".  Otherwise its far too easy to abuse it, in order to generate more bureacracy and income for more Government employees

[BT]

Kimba was also right that this should merely be a temporary program to deal with a "problem".

So where is it written that this isn't a temporary program, even if it is successful and recycling profits do go up, to help alleviate the cash shortage "problems".

[kimba1]

as outside observers,we would not know.But a 85k income is good incentive to wanna stay as long as possible.

[Christians4LessGvt]

when they started the US Income tax wasn't it also supposed to be "temporary"

[sirs]

Kimba was also right that this should merely be a temporary program to deal with a "problem".

So where is it written that this isn't a temporary program, even if it is successful and recycling profits do go up, to help alleviate the cash shortage "problems".

Let's just say I have a grasp of current reality, as it relates to Government programs in this state.  Especially the ones run by Democrats

[BT]

when they started the US Income tax wasn't it also supposed to be "temporary"

The first United States income tax was imposed in July 1861, at 3% of all incomes over 800 dollars in order to help pay for the war effort in the American Civil War.

In 1868, Congress again focused its taxation efforts on tobacco and distilled spirits and eliminated the income tax in 1872. It had a short-lived revival in 1894 and 1895. In the latter year, the U.S. Supreme Court decided that the income tax was unconstitutional because it was not apportioned among the states in conformity with the Constitution.

In 1913, the 16th Amendment to the Constitution made the income tax a permanent fixture in the U.S. tax system. The amendment gave Congress legal authority to tax income and resulted in a revenue law that taxed incomes of both individuals and corporations. In fiscal year 1918, annual internal revenue collections for the first time passed the billion-dollar mark, rising to $5.4 billion by 1920. With the advent of World War II, employment increased, as did tax collections?to $7.3 billion. The withholding tax on wages was introduced in 1943 and was instrumental in increasing the number of taxpayers to 60 million and tax collections to $43 billion by 1945. [8][3] This tax was repealed and replaced by another income tax in 1962. [9]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_tax

[BT]

Let's just say I have a grasp of current reality, as it relates to Government programs in this state.  Especially the ones run by Democrats

Then i recommend that any potential new voters who become eligible in your state be given a strong compatible platform and incentive to vote GOP. Triangulation is not a bad strategy.

[Christians4LessGvt]

Those weasels always use "temporary" to sneak in their evil!

"During the American Civil War, the first U.S. income tax was created,
but this one was meant only as a temporary measure to help pay
for the war. It was repealed in 1872."

"Personal Income Tax Introduced in U.S. (1913): At first, income taxes
were considered a temporary tax to help raise money for war"

http://history1900s.about.com/od/1910s/qt/incometax.htm

http://www.tenthamendmentcenter.com/2009/08/20/temporary-taxes-are-rarely-temporary/

[BT]

keep in mind the first income tax was created by the GOP

[sirs]

Let's just say I have a grasp of current reality, as it relates to Government programs in this state.  Especially the ones run by Democrats

Then i recommend that any potential new voters who become eligible in your state be given a strong compatible platform and incentive to vote GOP. Triangulation is not a bad strategy.

The Gerrymandering of the state has largely made that an impossibility.  And now with the passage of Prop 25, and the defeat of 23, the Unions haven't been in this strong a position of controlling a state's government, in quite a while

[kimba1]

well
here`s abit of useless trivia about democrats and republicans. in the past the liberal and conservatives veiws are opposite to the parties todays. when I say I`m a conservative democrat I`m meant my views are more classic than contemporary.