DebateGate
General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: Kramer on May 05, 2010, 11:25:11 AM
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/04/AR2010050404118.html?hpid=topnews (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/04/AR2010050404118.html?hpid=topnews)
Looks like BP got their monies worth out of Obama...
The Interior Department exempted BP's calamitous Gulf of Mexico drilling operation from a detailed environmental impact analysis last year, according to government documents, after three reviews of the area concluded that a massive oil spill was unlikely.
The decision by the department's Minerals Management Service (MMS) to give BP's lease at Deepwater Horizon a "categorical exclusion" from the National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA) on April 6, 2009 -- and BP's lobbying efforts just 11 days before the explosion to expand those exemptions -- show that neither federal regulators nor the company anticipated an accident of the scale of the one unfolding in the gulf.
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Kramer...this is just another example of "they dont get it"
they pretend the Tea Party are kooks
but what is kooky...is the shape our country is in.
this is why the american people "have had it"
this kind of crap
BP gives it's largest donation to Obama
then BP gets exempted from enviro study
same thing with these wall street/banking firms
Bush and Obama White House full of them...Congress too!
then the poor tax payer bails them out......
take the profits when it's good....bail me out when it's bad
no reason to be responsible if the politicans i give
big buck$ too will save my ass if i get in trouble
but the Tea Party folks are racist pigs to be pissed about
the corrupt-whacked-out shaped our country is in financially
and being over-run with law breaking illegal immigrants...Push 1 for English!
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To be fair, i don't think Obama had his people in place at Interior in April of 2009.
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To be fair, i don't think Obama had his people in place at Interior in April of 2009.
To be fair had Obama not taken cash payoffs from BP, and that is exactly what they are, he would not be tainted, look dirty and would be removed from the suspicion of impropriety but companies pay monies to politicians for protection. Is it legal, yes, but when the Mafia does it it's criminal.
Anyway Obama was supposed to be above all this business as usual stuff but everyday something comes up that indicates that Obama is more like the beltway than Bush or other so-called Beltway politicians. Therefore I will not give him wiggle room.
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Campaign contributions are political speech. BP as a corporation has the same civil rights as you and I do.
To argue against receiving campaign contributions is to argue against giving campaign contributions and i don't think we want to hold Obama to a different standard than we do other party counterparts.
Just sayin'
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Campaign contributions are political speech. BP as a corporation has the same civil rights as you and I do.
To argue against receiving campaign contributions is to argue against giving campaign contributions and i don't think we want to hold Obama to a different standard than we do other party counterparts.
Just sayin'
OK but we need the kind of openness that allows us to all know who owes who favors.
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OK but we need the kind of openness that allows us to all know who owes who favors.
Apparently we have that already else how would we know BP was a big Obama donor.
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OK but we need the kind of openness that allows us to all know who owes who favors.
Apparently we have that already else how would we know BP was a big Obama donor.
When do you know that you know all?
There sin't enough evidence to prove a Quid Pro Quo existed , or not either.
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Meanwhile
(http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/Foden20100502-Gulf%20Potomac20100503072921.jpg)
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Campaign contributions are political speech. BP as a corporation has the same civil rights as you and I do.
To argue against receiving campaign contributions is to argue against giving campaign contributions and i don't think we want to hold Obama to a different standard than we do other party counterparts.
Just sayin'
OK but if Obama were Bush the double standard would be in full effect
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There an't enough evidence to prove a Quid Pro Quo existed , or not either.
If i donate money to a candidate who advocates a flat tax and that candidate is successful in implementing that tax code change, is there a quid pro quo or simply a synergy of policy preferences?
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OK but if Obama were Bush the double standard would be in full effect
That's on them.
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There an't enough evidence to prove a Quid Pro Quo existed , or not either.
If i donate money to a candidate who advocates a flat tax and that candidate is successful in implementing that tax code change, is there a quid pro quo or simply a synergy of policy preferences?
Oh ,synergy definately!
But have you contributed to the democratic process or frustrated the will of the people?
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Define will of the people.
Seriously.
Is it a snap poll or the consensus of the legislature?
ie is the will of the people instantaneous or revealed every two years with a refreshing of congress
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(http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/mrz050610dAPR20100506121921.jpg)
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Define will of the people.
Seriously.
Is it a snap poll or the consensus of the legislature?
ie is the will of the people instantaneous or revealed every two years with a refreshing of congress
You mean is it really knowable?
I think a lot of time and money is spent on learning what the people want to hear so that the pols can then tell just that to them.
Every election is an oppurtunity to toss the rascals , spank the arrogant and promote the ambitious.
The people we elect , what should they be concerned with doing our will and want or meeting our need?
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The people we elect , what should they be concerned with doing our will and want or meeting our need?
Do we elect people because we want them to do our will or do we elect people because we trust their judgment?
Are we confusing democracy with republic?
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The people we elect , what should they be concerned with doing our will and want or meeting our need?
Do we elect people because we want them to do our will or do we elect people because we trust their judgment?
Are we confusing democracy with republic?
Ah!
We should be both !
I suppose that a lot of us trusted Govenor Barnes , who shall never be forgiven for doing what he thought was the right thing , humiliateing a huge number of us and winning the respect of Massituchetts.
Govenor Barnes knew that there would be a price to pay , but did he know how much? I have a lot of reasons to be glad his party was spanked for its arrogance , but number one is that the will of the people ought be respected even by people who think the people are wrong .
I think that the people can be persuaded by convinceing moral suasion , and rarely should be forced to accept humiliation from their own government.
The government is properly the servant of the people , not the other way around.
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The government is properly the servant of the people , not the other way around.
If only all public servants had your humility, Barnes and Cleland could saved themselves some heartache.
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The government is properly the servant of the people , not the other way around.
If only all public servants had your humility, Barnes and Cleland could saved themselves some heartache.
You may as well wish for the moon.
Only a few people in all history have had humility nearly as humble as mine.
And persons that have any huimility at all do not generally gravitate to elected office.
Present company excepted of course.
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