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sirs

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Re: Changing dynamics in Iraq pose challenge for Obama
« Reply #15 on: July 04, 2008, 07:47:29 PM »
<<And ironically, I thought the reporters had pretty well nailed Obama in his seriously flawed tight rope rhetoric walk of wanting it both ways. >>

There's nothing ironic there.  The reporters DID nail Obama, and rightfully so, on his ridiculous flip-flop

And thus the irony


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Re: Changing dynamics in Iraq pose challenge for Obama
« Reply #16 on: July 04, 2008, 07:53:27 PM »
I agree SIRS

Progress in Iraq is bad bad bad bad for NoBAMA
Really progess or good news anywhere is bad for the Democrats
Obama is all over the map.
Now that he's done with the Michael Moore Primaries
He is running so fast to the center it's hilarious
Now he is also saying that abortion for emotional reasons is WRONG!
Wonder how NARAL like the latest NoBAMA?
He'll pull the troops outta Iraq just like the Democratic Majority in Congress has. LOL
Yeah Pelosi promised to BRING THE TROOPS HOME to get elected.
Are they home?
Michael Moore and Bin Laden are mad the democrats lied.
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Re: Changing dynamics in Iraq pose challenge for Obama
« Reply #17 on: July 04, 2008, 09:19:03 PM »
You guys are making some valid points against Obama.  I think a lot less of him now than I did a month or two ago, but the bottom line is that I think even less of McCain.

I'd like to see him win despite my disappointment in him because with McCain I KNOW he is going to continue the war another four years and with Obama there's always the possibility that he's just lying to get elected and once elected he WILL end the war.

I know it's a long shot but for the moment that long shot is the ONLY shot the liberals have.  That and the possibility that the Iraqi Resistance can still pull off a Tet in Iraq that will blow the War Party right out of the tub.

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Re: Changing dynamics in Iraq pose challenge for Obama
« Reply #18 on: July 05, 2008, 09:01:36 AM »
That and the possibility that the Iraqi Resistance can still pull off a Tet in Iraq that will blow the War Party right out of the tub.

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Fear not, should that happen, sirs stands ever ready to proclaim it a defeat for the Iraqi resistance.


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Re: Changing dynamics in Iraq pose challenge for Obama
« Reply #19 on: July 05, 2008, 04:59:10 PM »
That and the possibility that the Iraqi Resistance can still pull off a Tet in Iraq that will blow the War Party right out of the tub.

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Fear not, should that happen, sirs stands ever ready to proclaim it a defeat for the Iraqi resistance.





The Tet offensive had no success at all within Vietnam , the loss of men and materiael and the exposure of operatives was so severe that General Giap was about to throw in the towell , if you beleive General Giap.

But the effect of Tet on Wlter Cronkite and the American public was pretty strong and was a "turning point" in that respect.

The opposition of American involvement allowed Fallujia to go down as bad as Hue but got nothing more than a loss of local support.

The fighting in Vietnam was ten times as tough as the fighting in Iraq , the Iriqui Resistance and the Al Queda together can't bring the threshold up any higher than they have and we are much much more patient than they .

So the real question is becomeing , how to stay rather than whether to stay. Even Senator Obama who was against the occupation before he will be for it isn't for a hasty retreat any more, by the time he is elected I doubt he will be willing to give up the gains .

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Re: Changing dynamics in Iraq pose challenge for Obama
« Reply #20 on: July 05, 2008, 06:25:38 PM »
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25536472/  

Both left and right pile on Obama
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Re: Changing dynamics in Iraq pose challenge for Obama
« Reply #21 on: July 05, 2008, 08:01:08 PM »
It is probably impossible to bring all the troops home in 16 months. I am sure that someone has told Obama this, so allowing the news to slip out gradually seems to be quite astute.

McCain and the oligarchy want them there forever. At least until the oil is gone and ExxonMobil has profited from every drop.
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Re: Changing dynamics in Iraq pose challenge for Obama
« Reply #22 on: July 05, 2008, 08:02:06 PM »
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