How do you fear something currently not possible?

[Amianthus]

I wonder what the world human population would be if humans for their primary food source
actually had to hunt down wild prey animals without modern weapons like say lions or wolves
do on a regular basis. I know obesity wouldn't be the problem it is!

Well, according to you, it's just not possible. Humans cannot hunt animals, and even if we did catch one, we couldn't eat it.

That was sarcasm, BTW.

[Christians4LessGvt]

Jerky is uncooked, ie, raw.

Is smoked meat not considered "cooked"?

[Christians4LessGvt]

Well, according to you, it's just not possible.
Humans cannot hunt animals,

"not possible"?....no just a zillion times harder than cruisin thru a drive thru window for animal matter
A big part of me actually wished that was the only way we could get our meat.
That would mean an enormous change in our diets
And would greatly lessen the shameful treatment of animals as well as pumping
animals full of chemicals that end up in our bodies.

and even if we did catch one, we couldn't eat it.

Uh?....why the hell not?......of course we could eat it.......just throw it on the grill!



 

[Amianthus]

Jerky is uncooked, ie, raw.

Is smoked meat not considered "cooked"?

First, not all jerky is smoked, and second, not always. Meat can be smoked at a high enough temperature to also cook it, but jerky is specifically "cold smoked" - kept at a temperature well below cooking (it's actually around room temperature). I make meat jerky at about 75 degrees F. Smoked BBQ is typically done at around 140 degrees, so it's cooked as well as smoked. I've done bacon with both warm smoking (typical for American style bacon) and cold smoking (typical for European style bacon). The cold smoked style is still raw when eaten, smoking only imparts some flavor and helps prevent taint for storage. Smoking of meat was first developed as a method to prevent flies from laying eggs in the raw meat and to help prevent bacterial and mold infections. Depending on how close you have the meat to the fire providing smoke determines whether you are "cold smoking" or "warm smoking" the meat.

I guess you could consider 75 to be "cooking" the meat. But then you've moved the debate to laying meat out on the counter in a typical room as "cooking" it as well.

[Amianthus]

Uh?....why the hell not?......of course we could eat it.......just throw it on the grill!

And I'm still waiting on an example or two of fresh, raw meat causing someone to get "sick and die". I've provided lots of sources where millions of people eat raw meat on a daily basis - should be trivial for you to provide a few cases to prove your point.

Oh, BTW, have you ever eaten liverwurst (usually labeled Braunschweiger in the US)? That's raw as well - and it's not even smoked.



Hey, something that should be illegal! After all, it's raw and will make you sick and die!

(There are about 600 different varieties of raw meat sausages that are made and sold - and eaten - in Germany.)

[kimba1]

ami!

I`m planning to make pork jerky , have you made any that is sweet?

here is sf we have a local jerky called sugar cured prk and it`s extremely tasty

[Amianthus]

I`m planning to make pork jerky , have you made any that is sweet?

here is sf we have a local jerky called sugar cured prk and it`s extremely tasty

Sure. I've made lots of different flavors, though I prefer the savory ones. When I make sweet jerky, it seems to disappear (my daughter likes the sweet type better...)

[Xavier_Onassis]

I think humans could kill a zebra or a goat, but the best way to do this is to gang up on the unfortunate beast, and to use simple tools, like sharp rocks, spears, slings and nets. Six to eight humans with a bit of preparation could kill darn near anything

[Christians4LessGvt]

"And I'm still waiting on an example or two of fresh,
raw meat causing someone to get "sick and die".

http://www.delish.com/food-fun/foods-that-kill-raw-meat-eggs#fbIndex11

I hope almost nobody (unless thats all they have)
is eating truely raw unprepared meat. I dont really
have access to death certificates that show cause of
death, but it is rather silly to think eating raw meat
has not made people very sick or caused death when
almost all US Health and Medical entities argue strongly
against eating meat raw because of the dangers.

And I guess since we seem to like to play "gotcha games"
I am still wanting for you to prove the Intuit had
"no health problems for millenia". None? Wow!
Thats going to be some tough medical records to pull
from hundreds of years ago or is this just a "wrong"?
[sa]

"Oh, BTW, have you ever eaten liverwurst (usually labeled Braunschweiger in the US)?
That's raw as well - and it's not even smoked"

Ummm...this says it's cooked.
Sometimes referred to as leberwurst, liverwurst is a spicy cooked sausage that is made with a mixture of ground liver and pork, seasoned with a select range of spices and plenty of onions. The high content of liver in the finished product has earned the liverwurst the name of "liver sausage" in some parts of the world.

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-liverwurst.htm

Braunschweiger (named after Braunschweig, Germany) is a type of liverwurst
(pork liver sausage) which, if stuffed in natural casings, is nearly always smoked

Ummmm this says it's smoked.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Braunschweiger

"Hey, something that should be illegal! After all, it's raw and will make you sick and die!"[/i]

Or live for millenia with no health problems!!....Ha Ha He He!

If you look up the definition of raw it does not just mean "uncooked".
Earlier in this thread you were bragging about your sushi being "raw".
Until I showed you that sushi served raw in the
US must be frozen in order to kill parasites.
I noticed you didnt respond.
So eating raw sushi without any preparation is seen by the US Gvt as dangerous.
You think sharks or polar bears need their sushi frozen or prepared before they eat it?

And since January 2006, it has been obligatory for all restaurants
in the European Union to freeze fish that is going to be used
for sushi and sashimi for a minimum of 24 hours at a temperature
of at least minus 20 degrees. But I guess they need to listen to Ami!

You keep going back to the quote....so why is it alligators, lions,
and wolves in the wild seem to do quite fine without all the
"preparations" that humans have to do to eat so called "raw" meats.
How come people dont tear the anus of a Zebra and eat it?
Would you want to eat the anus of a Zebra or Wilders-Beastie?

[Christians4LessGvt]

Hey Ami....thought you'd enjoy this.
(just ignore the voice-over that starts at 24-33 second mark)
otherwise you'll love it.
don't hold your breath on the FDA approving this for drive-thru restaurant protein
YUCK!

Bear Grylls eating raw zebra meat, man vs wild

[kimba1]

can you give me tips on making sweet type jerkies?

my last batch crystalized so it meat rock candy

[Christians4LessGvt]

can you give me tips on making sweet type jerkies?

http://beefjerkyrecipes.com/jerky-recipes/meat-type/beef-jerky-recipes/sweet-n-spicy-beef-jerky/

[Amianthus]

can you give me tips on making sweet type jerkies?

my last batch crystalized so it meat rock candy

Probably dried it too long. Here is one I've used:

http://allrecipes.com//Recipe/jerky-lovers-jerky---sweet-hot-and-spicy/Detail.aspx

[Amianthus]

"And I'm still waiting on an example or two of fresh,
raw meat causing someone to get "sick and die".

http://www.delish.com/food-fun/foods-that-kill-raw-meat-eggs#fbIndex11

I hope almost nobody (unless thats all they have) is eating truely raw unprepared meat. I dont really have access to death certificates that show cause of  death, but it is rather silly to think eating raw meat has not made people very sick or caused death when almost all US Health and Medical entities argue strongly against eating meat raw because of the dangers.

Funny that your link doesn't say that eating the meat or eggs will kill you. It says that it can have salmonella which can cause health problems. In other words, it's tainted meat that might kill you, which I have been saying all along. BTW, as Kimba pointed out, vegetables can contain salmonella as well.

And I don't need death certificates, just some news articles would do. Something along the lines of "person ate raw meat, and his inability to digest that meat caused his death."

And I guess since we seem to like to play "gotcha games"  I am still wanting for you to prove the Intuit had
"no health problems for millenia". None? Wow!

If their diet of largely raw meat caused massive health problems, I don't think they would have survived roughly 12-18,000 years on said diet. That's just common sense. Also, early contact with the Inuit documented a number of them over 90 years old, and older church records agree.

German sausages:

"Fresh Sausage (Rohwurst) ? the most popular sausage

"There are around 600 different varieties of fresh sausage in Germany. These sausage products are made from raw meat, specifically from lean beef or pork, firm bacon, salt and spices. Fresh sausages have a very distinctive taste and are be stored hanging in airy, slightly cool rooms. There are two major categories: sliceable fresh sausages and fresh sausage spreads.

"Fresh sausage for slicing

"The firm, sliceable fresh sausage products include German salami, cervelat sausage, Mettwurst (coarsely minced pork sausage) and garlic sausage. Salami and cervelat sausage are the absolute favorites in their category.

"Spreadable fresh sausage

"The spreads in this group include "Teewurst" (very fine sausage), ?Pfeffers?ckchen? (literally: little pepper sacks), minced ham sausage and onion-flavored minced pork sausage. The best known variety is a spread made according to a traditional Brunswick recipe ("Streichmettwurst nach Braunschweiger Art"). These products contain more fat than their firmer counterparts for slicing, which makes them spreadable. "
http://www.germanfoods.org/consumer/facts/guidetosausages.cfm

Again, the "processing" that you refer to is done to preserve the meats for longer periods of time (so that bacteria does not infect it) or for flavor, or a combination of the two.

And the reason the government has regulations about freezing fish for sushi is also to prevent infections. Most of us don't get our fish directly from the fishermen, so it must be stored and transported. During storage and transport, it can get infected with bacteria - salmonella or the like - and freezing prevents this. Again, it's the salmonella or whatever that makes you sick, not the raw fish itself.

And again, salmonella can catch a ride on many things other than raw meat and eggs:

Article about salmonella in peanut butter

Article about salmonella in sesame pastes

Pretty much anything you eat can have salmonella on it.

[Amianthus]

Bear Grylls eating raw zebra meat, man vs wild

So, he's dead now, right?