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Syria also facing protests
« on: March 21, 2011, 09:32:33 PM »
Assad blockades disaffected Syrian areas to contain spreading protests

DEBKAfile Exclusive Report

March 21, 2011,


Protesters call on Assad to go

In an effort to contain spreading popular disorders against his regime, Syrian President Bashar Assad Monday, March 21, sent the 4th Armored Division commanded by his younger brother Maher Assad to suppress the three-day uprising in Darra (Deraa), capital of the southern Hauran region, and blockade the adjoining Jabal ad-Duruz where a demonstration is planned for March 26 at As-Suwada.

Earlier, he posted two expanded Syrian army brigades at Darra, where some 20 demonstrators were killed and 300 wounded by tear gas and live bullets.

Damascus confirmed army had been deployed in Darra where five more demonstrators were killed Monday in fresh anti-government unrest after smashing the statue of Hafez Assad, the president's father and predecessor. The demonstrators called on Syrians around the country to join them at a rally to mourn those who died in clashes with police over the past three days.

Assad has thus joined the list of dynastic Arab rulers fighting to retain power in the face of popular revolts.

Sunday, the United States "strongly condemned the violence that took place in Syria and called on the Syrian government to allow demonstrations to take place peacefully. Those responsible for today's violence must be held accountable," said a White House statement.

However, Washington has invested considerable effort into improving relations with Damascus and so, unlike in the case of Libya, the Obama administration has not gone beyond verbal condemnation of Assad's brutal crackdown on dissent. Assad's Baath party and family have ruled Syria for almost half a century under emergency laws dating from 1963, which brook little dissent and no political freedoms.

Poverty-stricken Darra is strategically important because it is situated on the Damascus highway to southern Syria, Jabal ad-Duruz, Jordan, Israel and Lebanon.

The regime failed in its effort to open a dialogue with the leaders of the Darra uprising. They refused to meet a large group of prominent Syrians from Hauran clans headed by Deputy Foreign Minister Faisal Mekdad which arrived Sunday to try and defuse the tension. As soon as they left, Darra townspeople set fire to the Baath Party building, the court and other symbols of Assad domination, igniting other parts of the country.

Monday, March 21, demonstrations spread to the town of Quneitra on the Syrian part of the Golan abutting the part held by Israel.

The 4th Division was then assigned the task of cutting southern Syria off from the rest of the country, separating it as one of three military sectors: Large forces cordoned off Damascus, the capital, which lies 100 kilometers north of Darra; they also blocked routes out of Jabal ad-Duruz, home to nearly a million Syria Druze tribesmen.

The Assads have lived in fear of abiding separatist Druze dissent against Damascus since the Great Druze Revolt of 1925-1927, which spread across Syria.

The Syrian army has also laid to siege border regions on the Syrian Golan, the areas adjoining the Lebanese and Israeli borders and the Yarmuk River crossing into Jordan, lest anti-Asad disturbances spill over between those sectors and spread further.

The regime's contest with the South is therefore in standoff for the moment.

But unrest simmers in Damascus and Aleppo, where the opposition continues its attempts to mount protest demonstrations - so far without success. Sunday's riots in the northern Kurdish towns of Al Qamishli and Al Haskah and also at Deir ez-Zor and Homs have died down for the time being although mass arrests are reported
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Re: Syria also facing protests
« Reply #1 on: March 21, 2011, 10:42:18 PM »
Clearly the people of the ME are craving freedom. They see that many people around the world have freedom and they want a taste of it to. Good for them! This in itself is the best way to defeat radical Islamic terrorism. I am on the side of the people because I know in my heart that most of them are good decent people that just want peace and prosperity for their families, just like like us.

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« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2011, 11:41:26 PM »
I know in my heart that most of them are good decent people that just want peace and prosperity for their families, just like us.

Very true Kramer!    (no matter what Michael Tee says)
"Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!" - Ronald Reagan - June 12, 1987

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« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2011, 10:03:18 AM »
I heard all this was caused by one person who got tired of the government taxing his business soo much he truely can`t support himself so he set himslf on fire . but remember the freedom these folk crave can easily be radical islam. remember the ME was one of the most advance civilizations on earth and they  VOLUNTARILY decided to stopped.

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« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2011, 11:12:36 AM »
I heard all this was caused by one person who got tired of the government taxing his business soo much he truely can`t support himself so he set himslf on fire . but remember the freedom these folk crave can easily be radical islam. remember the ME was one of the most advance civilizations on earth and they  VOLUNTARILY decided to stopped.

sounds like Liberalism kills everything, everywhere & everyone...

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« Reply #5 on: March 22, 2011, 11:39:26 AM »
The Middle East was flourishing in the days before the Roman Empire, which was followed by the Byzantine Empire, which was followed by the Caliphate of Baghdad, the Ottoman Empire and in the case of Syria, a French colonial protectorate.

Precisely which of these was "Liberal"?
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« Reply #6 on: March 22, 2011, 01:15:43 PM »
I heard all this was caused by one person who got tired of the government taxing his business soo much he truely can`t support himself so he set himslf on fire . but remember the freedom these folk crave can easily be radical islam. remember the ME was one of the most advance civilizations on earth and they  VOLUNTARILY decided to stopped.

Analysts always said that if a revolution started in one country, it would sweep the region.

Bouazizi was the man who set himself on fire - the man who started it all. A monument is being built for him in France. Every time I think about him, I feel awful. Imagine the desperation and depression that would push someone to kill themselves in such a horrible way!

In short, he was trying to support his family by selling vegetables from a cart - he had worked as a street vendor from the time he was a small boy (father was deceased). The morning he killed himsef, he invested a couple of hundred dollars in produce for the day, and took to the streets with his cart... only to have it confiscated for not having a permit. (The government has officially stated that no permit was needed - he couldn't bribe off the local police.)

You can read about it in Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohamed_Bouazizi

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« Reply #7 on: March 22, 2011, 01:16:48 PM »
I heard all this was caused by one person who got tired of the government taxing his business soo much he truely can`t support himself so he set himslf on fire . but remember the freedom these folk crave can easily be radical islam. remember the ME was one of the most advance civilizations on earth and they  VOLUNTARILY decided to stopped.

sounds like Liberalism kills everything, everywhere & everyone...

If it were just tax, maybe you would be right. But it had nothing to do with taxation and everything to do with the corruption that plagues this entire region.

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« Reply #8 on: March 22, 2011, 02:11:59 PM »
 Ben Ali promised to send him to a treatment facility in France,[9] but no such transfer was ever arranged and Bouazizi died in Ben Arous, 18 days after the immolation, on January 4, 2011, at 5:30 p.m. local time.[21][22]

that`s where it all goes down hill,bouazizi death might not of triggered the protest if it wasn`t for that promise.

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« Reply #9 on: March 22, 2011, 06:23:04 PM »
The Middle East was flourishing in the days before the Roman Empire, which was followed by the Byzantine Empire, which was followed by the Caliphate of Baghdad, the Ottoman Empire and in the case of Syria, a French colonial protectorate.

Precisely which of these was "Liberal"?

Liberal = Mentally Ill

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« Reply #10 on: March 22, 2011, 06:27:13 PM »
I heard all this was caused by one person who got tired of the government taxing his business soo much he truely can`t support himself so he set himslf on fire . but remember the freedom these folk crave can easily be radical islam. remember the ME was one of the most advance civilizations on earth and they  VOLUNTARILY decided to stopped.

sounds like Liberalism kills everything, everywhere & everyone...

If it were just tax, maybe you would be right. But it had nothing to do with taxation and everything to do with the corruption that plagues this entire region.

Liberalism is a corrupt philosophy that doesn't take the individual person into account. It never takes into account people only a way of thinking. One size fits all except for the people in charge. They of course are exempt from everything.

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« Reply #11 on: March 22, 2011, 06:30:52 PM »
Liberalism in any American context is irrelevant to any government that has ever ruled Syria.

"Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana."

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« Reply #12 on: March 22, 2011, 06:37:39 PM »
Liberalism in any American context is irrelevant to any government that has ever ruled Syria.

But Liberalism in Syrian context is irrelevant to any government that has ever ruled America. Grasshopper, you need to think outside the box.

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« Reply #13 on: March 23, 2011, 01:11:22 PM »
I heard all this was caused by one person who got tired of the government taxing his business soo much he truely can`t support himself so he set himslf on fire . but remember the freedom these folk crave can easily be radical islam. remember the ME was one of the most advance civilizations on earth and they  VOLUNTARILY decided to stopped.

sounds like Liberalism kills everything, everywhere & everyone...

If it were just tax, maybe you would be right. But it had nothing to do with taxation and everything to do with the corruption that plagues this entire region.

Liberalism is a corrupt philosophy that doesn't take the individual person into account. It never takes into account people only a way of thinking. One size fits all except for the people in charge. They of course are exempt from everything.

Actually, I was going to come back and change my statement to you after thinking a bit more.

Regardless of your opinion of liberalism (a very broad term which can mean many different things to different people), large parts of the world function quite well and happily with a heavy dose of it. The Scandinavian countries - the most "liberal" (read: socialist) of all - consistently rank highest in ratings of personal happiness.

What happens in the Middle East is not liberal. The people DO get taxed heavily, but there are very few tangible benefits - a necessary exchange for a system like that to work. In places like Libya, Syria, Egypt, the money goes to line the pockets of the corrupt while the people suffer horribly. That is a stupid system ripe for revolution.

Now let me tell you about heavy taxation without tangible benefits where I live. (Although the situation in Jordan isn't so corrupt compared to the rest - this is just well and truly a very poor country with hardly any natural resources and taxation is the only way - in most cases - for the country to function.)

The situation is enough to make me want to revolt. GST of 16%. Hidden taxes and duties on anything you might want to buy except for the most basic of life's necessities. On top of that, heavy payroll taxes. In short, the cost of living here is much higher than in the U.S., but at the same time, I am making less than 1/2 of what I would be earning in the U.S. (Amman is the most expensive of all Arab countries, in comparison to the salaries of the people.) In fact, the AVERAGE salary in Jordan is $300 USD per month.

Let me break that down for you:

-- If you want to buy a car, you will pay 100 - 150% MORE than you would in the U.S. So if a car in your dealership in the U.S. costs $15k, in Amman it will cost $30 - $40k. (I never thought I would live to see the day where I'd be eyeing a Hyundai like it was a Cadillac.)

-- I bought my son a Nintendo Wii for his birthday. I paid $650  for it.

-- A dinner at Applebees for 2 people; 2 entrees (basic - not the most expensive thing on the menu); no appetizer; Pepsi only - no drinks: $80-$90.

Just an example. Of course, all of the above are considered luxeries here.

Here are all of the benefits that I would personally expect in a system where I am subjected to a socialist-like tax - NONE of which are given to anyone here:

-- High quality health care for all with minimal out-of-pocket costs. We pay for it. (There is low-quality healthcare that poor people can get for free if they petition the government, and when I say low-quality, think 3rd world hospital standards.)

-- A buttload of holiday and vacation time; we actually get about the same as in the American system, and adding insult to injury if a holiday like Labor Day lands on a weekend, tough - they don't adjust to the first or last day of the week. (A government worker had the gall to quip, "Well, you all have the day off anyway, right?)

-- A high quality infrastructure - ours lacks in too many ways

-- Free or low cost QUALITY education - in Jordan, no sane person would send their kid to a public school, so private schools have become the norm. Very, very expensive and the ones within our budget ($5000 - $7000 per year for 1st grade) aren't that great, by American standards. We would need to pay $12000 to $15000 per year to get really high quality.

There are more examples, but the point is, when a people are taxed this heavily, if there are no returns on the investment, how long can a system like this be stable? Now, add horrible corruption in so many other ME countries and it's like throwing a lit match on a gas spill.

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« Reply #14 on: March 23, 2011, 01:28:26 PM »
With your description Henny, revolt seems long overdue in the entire ME region.

On the other hand, the US coming from a far different way of life, still we are revolting Liberalism. Sure, I guess we get a bigger bang for the buck but we didn't become the richest nation on Earth via our current form of government i.e. SOCIALISM. We need to regress back to the way it used to be. Plus talk about corruption, we are NOW corrupt to the core.