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sirs

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Re: We Need Tax Increases
« Reply #15 on: June 22, 2011, 07:55:02 PM »
And I don't believe I've said anything different.  If your state wants to go down that black hole, have at it.  Just don't ask our state, or any other state, to bail you out

The only caveat being that it should be the PEOPLE voting on such a huge piece of legislation, and not merely the legisature imposing it, with the people stuck with it.  Their only recourse is to vote out those legislators, while the legislation itself takes root
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Re: We Need Tax Increases
« Reply #16 on: June 22, 2011, 08:07:10 PM »
Commerce Clause

As in states can't go against the US Constitution but also some states constitution could forbid such mandates.

With that said mandating people to buy something goes against the Commerce Clause and as well the US Constitution.

This is what will get ObamaCare thrown out.

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Re: We Need Tax Increases
« Reply #17 on: June 22, 2011, 08:24:28 PM »
Commerce Clause

As in states can't go against the US Constitution but also some states constitution could forbid such mandates.

With that said mandating people to buy something goes against the Commerce Clause and as well the US Constitution.

This is what will get ObamaCare thrown out.

Why would providing healthcare at the hands of the state be any different than providing roads or prisons at the hands of the state?

or requiring residents to purchase water and sewer services from a governmental agency be against the Commerce Clause?

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Re: We Need Tax Increases
« Reply #18 on: June 22, 2011, 08:26:39 PM »
And I don't believe I've said anything different.  If your state wants to go down that black hole, have at it.  Just don't ask our state, or any other state, to bail you out

The only caveat being that it should be the PEOPLE voting on such a huge piece of legislation, and not merely the legisature imposing it, with the people stuck with it.  Their only recourse is to vote out those legislators, while the legislation itself takes root

Your state is not in a position to bail any other state out. And I don't have a problem with representative government, that is what the founders envisioned.

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Re: We Need Tax Increases
« Reply #19 on: June 22, 2011, 08:47:18 PM »
And I don't believe I've said anything different.  If your state wants to go down that black hole, have at it.  Just don't ask our state, or any other state, to bail you out

The only caveat being that it should be the PEOPLE voting on such a huge piece of legislation, and not merely the legisature imposing it, with the people stuck with it.  Their only recourse is to vote out those legislators, while the legislation itself takes root


Your state is not in a position to bail any other state out.


Boy aint that the truth......thankuverymuch liberal/moderate Democrats/Republicans & socialist agenda


And I don't have a problem with representative government, that is what the founders envisioned.

I don't either, until they usurp the majority will of the people to push agendas that are counter to their "representation", be it executive, legislative or judicial fiat.  The founders definately didn't envision that
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Re: We Need Tax Increases
« Reply #20 on: June 22, 2011, 08:53:20 PM »
Commerce Clause

As in states can't go against the US Constitution but also some states constitution could forbid such mandates.

With that said mandating people to buy something goes against the Commerce Clause and as well the US Constitution.

This is what will get ObamaCare thrown out.

Your question is before the courts right now and the jury is out on the verdict.

Why would providing healthcare at the hands of the state be any different than providing roads or prisons at the hands of the state?

or requiring residents to purchase water and sewer services from a governmental agency be against the Commerce Clause?

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Re: We Need Tax Increases
« Reply #21 on: June 22, 2011, 09:03:29 PM »
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I don't either, until they usurp the majority will of the people to push agendas that are counter to their "representation", be it executive, legislative or judicial fiat.  The founders definately didn't envision that

Isn't it your state that is pretty much run by referendum? You know, the kind that eliminates the middle man in your quest to have a purer democratic state?

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Re: We Need Tax Increases
« Reply #22 on: June 22, 2011, 09:04:56 PM »
No clue what you're referring to.  The gerryrigging of the state has taken hold, and doing its job quite nicely
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Re: We Need Tax Increases
« Reply #23 on: June 22, 2011, 09:43:00 PM »
Commerce Clause

As in states can't go against the US Constitution but also some states constitution could forbid such mandates.

With that said mandating people to buy something goes against the Commerce Clause and as well the US Constitution.

This is what will get ObamaCare thrown out.

Why would providing healthcare at the hands of the state be any different than providing roads or prisons at the hands of the state?

or requiring residents to purchase water and sewer services from a governmental agency be against the Commerce Clause?

There is a diffrence between federal and state, would you have no limit on federal power?Left alone the federal authority would aquire all authority and mandate to the state all expense.

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Re: We Need Tax Increases
« Reply #24 on: June 22, 2011, 09:46:11 PM »
Commerce Clause

As in states can't go against the US Constitution but also some states constitution could forbid such mandates.

With that said mandating people to buy something goes against the Commerce Clause and as well the US Constitution.

This is what will get ObamaCare thrown out.

Why would providing healthcare at the hands of the state be any different than providing roads or prisons at the hands of the state?

or requiring residents to purchase water and sewer services from a governmental agency be against the Commerce Clause?

There is a diffrence between federal and state, would you have no limit on federal power?Left alone the federal authority would aquire all authority and mandate to the state all expense.

I do not believe i advocated unlimited federal powers, in fact i believe i advocated that the states maintain most of the power and delegate to the fed what would be in the federal purview and fund it with a franchise fee off the top of the state taxes.

http://debategate.com/new3dhs/index.php?topic=15385.msg126839#msg126839

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Re: We Need Tax Increases
« Reply #25 on: June 22, 2011, 10:16:59 PM »
I do not believe i advocated unlimited federal powers, in fact i believe i advocated that the states maintain most of the power and delegate to the fed what would be in the federal purview and fund it with a franchise fee off the top of the state taxes.

http://debategate.com/new3dhs/index.php?topic=15385.msg126839#msg126839

Then what is the improvement on the present?
Our state can regulate insurance without any requirement to standardise with other states.

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Re: We Need Tax Increases
« Reply #26 on: June 22, 2011, 10:30:07 PM »
I do not believe i advocated unlimited federal powers, in fact i believe i advocated that the states maintain most of the power and delegate to the fed what would be in the federal purview and fund it with a franchise fee off the top of the state taxes.

http://debategate.com/new3dhs/index.php?topic=15385.msg126839#msg126839

Then what is the improvement on the present?
Our state can regulate insurance without any requirement to standardise with other states.

The fact that GA can regulate insurance without consulting with DC is an advantage, not a disadvantage. And if the people of GA are dissatified with the current regulations it is far easier to change course from Atlanta than it is DC.

The best government is that which is closest to the people.