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"We'll take what's behind door #2 Johnny"
« on: August 01, 2011, 10:07:36 AM »
This Country Defaulted Long Ago

By James Quinn

07/29/2011

"There is no means of avoiding a final collapse of a boom brought about by
credit expansion. The alternative is only whether the crisis should come sooner
as a result of a voluntary abandonment of further credit expansion or later as
a final and total catastrophe of the currency system involved
."
Ludwig von Mises



The final collapse of our credit expansion boom approaches. We have a choice over
the next week. We could voluntarily abandon further credit expansion by voting for a Balanced Budget Amendment to the Constitution or we can raise the debt ceiling, pretend to cut spending far in the future, and allow our currency system to experience a catastrophic
final collapse.

We'll take what's behind door #2 Johnny. The vested interests in Washington DC and Wall Street only care about power and wealth. They will never abandon credit expansion. It's their drug. They must have it. They are addicted to it. They will keep injecting it into our system until they overdose America.



The mainstream media acts as if not raising the debt ceiling by next Tuesday will result in America defaulting. This is a crock. America chose to proceed on a path to default decades ago. We are just finally reaching our destination. Below are the choices we made as a people and a country to default on our obligations and eventually destroy our country:

*The enactment of the 16th Amendment to the Constitution in 1913 allowing the government
to impose a tax on your income, thereby opening Pandora's Box to a 60,000 page tax code and allowing politicians to sell their votes to the highest bidder.

*The signing into law of the Federal Reserve Act by Woodrow Wilson in 1913, transferring
control of our currency system to Wall Street banks. The man made inflation created by the Federal Reserve has reduced the purchasing power of the USD by 97% since 1913 and has allowed politicians to promise $100 trillion of benefits to Americans, that can never be delivered.

*The Social Security Act signed into law by Franklin Delano Roosevelt in 1935, supposedly to help widows and orphans, morphed into a giant ponzi scheme used by politicians to make Americans think it was a retirement plan and the money was in a lockbox. The scam continues, but ponzi schemes always collapse.

*Fannie Mae was created in 1938 as a government agency and Freddie Mac was created in 1970 as a quasi-government agency. By promoting home ownership and subsidizing loans to people who should have never gotten loans these agencies caused hundreds of billions in mal-investment. As tools of politicians, they were used to push social agendas. The result will be in excess of $300 billion in losses to the American taxpayer.

*The Korean War set a precedent where the President did not need to seek Congress to declare war as required under the Constitution. This has allowed the President the freedom to fight undeclared wars around the world for decades, while spending trillions, with no approval from Congress.

*LBJ's Great Society programs such as Medicare and Medicaid were sold to Americans as cost saving programs that would improve healthcare for all Americans. We now spend 17% of our GDP on healthcare and these two programs have an unfunded liability of almost $100 trillion.



*Nixon closing the gold window in 1971 removed all restraint on the Federal Reserve, banks and politicians. With a fiat currency backed by nothing but promises, it was only a matter of time before the greed and corruption of bankers and politicians overcame any self imposed fiscal responsibility. The result has been the National Debt going from $400 billion in 1971 to $14.4 trillion today, a 3,600% increase in 40 years. Meanwhile, GDP only increased 1,350% over this same time frame.

*The embrace of consumer debt by the Baby Boom generation beginning in 1980 created an atmosphere of living for today and not worrying about the future. This attitude has left 50% of all the households in the country with a net worth of $70,000 or below.

*The repeal of the Glass Steagall Act in 1999 unleashed the hounds of hell upon America, as the soulless blood sucking vampires on Wall Street proceeded to rape and pillage the American economy with their financial derivatives of mass destruction and marketing of debt to the clueless masses. The housing bust and impoverishment of the middle class can be laid at the feet of these evil greedy bastards.

*Bush's unpaid for wars of choice, his reckless  tax cuts, and his foolish expansion of a bankrupt Medicare program in the midst of two wars turbo charged the country on its path to default.

*By bailing out Wall Street on the backs of the middle class in 2008/2009, the politicians in this country showed their hand. They will protect their fellow power brokers and contributors and throw the American people under the bus. Wall Street controls Congress.

*The Keynesian schemes rolled out by Obama and his minions have just added trillions of debt while depressing the economic system and doing nothing to help the average person. The Fed created inflation has inflamed revolution through out the world and further impoverished the middle class who need to eat and fill up their cars.

*In the midst of a Depression Obama chose to create a brand new healthcare bureaucracy, add 30 million people into the government controlled system, and commit the US taxpayer to trillions of future healthcare costs.

As you can see, next Tuesday means nothing. The debt ceiling means nothing. We chose to default as a nation many years ago. The destination was certain, only the timing was in question. Time to step on the gas.



"Credit expansion is not a nostrum to make people happy.
The boom it engenders must inevitably lead to a debacle and unhappiness
."
Ludwig von Mises

http://www.financialsense.com/contributors/james-quinn/2011/07/29/this-country-defaulted-long-ago
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Re: "We'll take what's behind door #2 Johnny"
« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2011, 10:56:38 AM »
Anyone who takes Mises seriously, should not be taken seriously themselves.
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Re: "We'll take what's behind door #2 Johnny"
« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2011, 12:55:44 PM »
Anyone who takes Mises seriously, should not be taken seriously themselves.

yeah boss Ludwig von Mises is the silly one

reality? whats dat? step on da gas lets spend trillions mo we dont have!
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Re: "We'll take what's behind door #2 Johnny"
« Reply #3 on: August 01, 2011, 01:59:26 PM »
The point is that Mises is not a reputable economist. I am all for responsible borrowing, but of course, when there is a Depression on, costs will always exceed revenues. This is supposed to be offset by a surplus in boom times. That is what Clinton did, but stupid juniorbush gave out rebate checks as soon as he was elected, them mongered a couple of wars with no taxes to pay for them.

If you like, I could state that Juniorbushanf=d Cheney were even less competent than Mises.

Mises was one of very few Jewish nobility in Austria. Most of his work was done to discredit Hitler's policies, which were against three things he really liked: Austrian independence, the nobility, and Jews.

He is the Austrian equivalent of Ayn Rand.

Rand, of course, didn't like him, because he was smarter at economics than she was, which was not hard to be.
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Re: "We'll take what's behind door #2 Johnny"
« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2011, 02:02:03 PM »
Anyone who takes Mises seriously, should not be taken seriously themselves.

Anyone who takes Keynes seriously, should not be taken seriously themselves.
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Re: "We'll take what's behind door #2 Johnny"
« Reply #5 on: August 01, 2011, 02:03:09 PM »
If you like, I could state that Juniorbushanf=d Cheney were even less competent than Mises.

Except that the Bush policies were Keynesian rather than following the Austrian school.
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Re: "We'll take what's behind door #2 Johnny"
« Reply #6 on: August 01, 2011, 02:08:52 PM »
The point is that Mises is not a reputable economist.

Funny, he mentored Friedrich Hayek, who went on to use what he learned from Mises to win a Nobel in Economics in 1974. Sounds like his theories were pretty reputable to me.
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Re: "We'll take what's behind door #2 Johnny"
« Reply #7 on: August 01, 2011, 04:24:23 PM »
    If you like, I could state that Juniorbush and Cheney were even less competent than Mises.


Except that the Bush policies were Keynesian rather than following the Austrian school.
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Would that make them more competent?

I note that Mises himself did not get any Nobel Prize for Economics.

Plato taught Aristotle, but that did not make them identical, or even similar.
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Re: "We'll take what's behind door #2 Johnny"
« Reply #8 on: August 01, 2011, 05:32:34 PM »
Would that make them more competent?

Probably not, since Keynesian economics has been a disaster for many countries. But you can't blame Mises for Keynesian thinking.

I note that Mises himself did not get any Nobel Prize for Economics.

Plato taught Aristotle, but that did not make them identical, or even similar.

Except that the work that Hayek got his Nobel for was derivative of Mises' work. Also, the most recent financial crisis that we're going through was predicted by Mises' work, and not by more mainstream (mostly Keynesian) models. Scientific progress holds that we should use those theories which can correctly predict future events and throw out those that cannot.
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Re: "We'll take what's behind door #2 Johnny"
« Reply #9 on: August 01, 2011, 06:27:36 PM »

Probably not, since Keynesian economics has been a disaster for many countries. But you can't blame Mises for Keynesian thinking.
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I don't think I did.

I don't think Keynes recommended fighting wars on credit. I don;t think that Keynes was responsible for the housing crisis bubble, either.
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Re: "We'll take what's behind door #2 Johnny"
« Reply #10 on: August 01, 2011, 11:03:19 PM »
  My parents personally did all they could to give me a good life , good oppurtunitys , good chance to develop myself.

     My parents generation made the world over again attempting to create a better nation in a better world.

   My own generation , it seems, is prepareing to hand an unpayable bill to our own children.

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« Reply #11 on: August 02, 2011, 11:15:28 AM »
 My own generation , it seems, is prepareing to hand an unpayable bill to our own children.
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They have the Interstate highways and all sorts of benefits.
The last generation had to pay for WWII. Somehow, America paid for the immense cost of the Civil War.
Everything gets paid for, or it doesn't. In the worst of scenarios, they could give them Alabama or something.


This is not a concern that I have.
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Re: "We'll take what's behind door #2 Johnny"
« Reply #12 on: August 02, 2011, 11:29:02 AM »
I don't think Keynes recommended fighting wars on credit. I don;t think that Keynes was responsible for the housing crisis bubble, either.

Keynesian economic theory says that the government should perform compulsory savings (social security), perform deficit spending to eliminate unemployment, and provide easy credit to keep interest rates low. Sure sounds like the policy the US government has been following for a long time. Austrian economists predicted that following Keynesian policies would lead to a series of bubbles, access to easy credit, low savings rates, and excessive capital in risky investments, followed by a crash.
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« Reply #13 on: August 02, 2011, 12:36:55 PM »
Austrian economists predicted that following Keynesian policies would lead to a series of bubbles, access to easy credit, low savings rates, and excessive capital in risky investments, followed by a crash.

A series of bubbles followed by a crash was what this country has been blighted with since it began.
On average, we had a crash every seven to ten years since this country was founded. That is not Keynesian economics, that is capitalism.

The US had no major crash between the Great Depression and 2008. What we have had could have been avoided by better regulations.

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« Reply #14 on: August 03, 2011, 02:18:03 PM »
A series of bubbles followed by a crash was what this country has been blighted with since it began.
On average, we had a crash every seven to ten years since this country was founded. That is not Keynesian economics, that is capitalism.

What we have is not capitalism, more like economic fascism. Indeed, boom-bust cycles are caused by disturbances of the free market economy by inflationary injections of bank credit, propelled by government.

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