the worst gun cleaning accident. beyond imagination.

[kimba1]

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2011/12/19/national/a163351S51.DTL&tsp=1

I challenge anyone to say they could of thought this up.

[Xavier_Onassis]

I agree that this seems to be a freak accident.

I would think, however, that the very first step of cleaning any gun would be to remove all ammunition from the gun.

[sirs]

1st rule of gun ownership/responsibility, treat every gun, as if it is loaded

2nd rule.....don't point a gun at anything you're not willing to destroy

[Xavier_Onassis]

To clean a gun, you have to treat it as though it were unloaded. This requires unloading it first.
It must be unloaded before you start taking it apart.

[sirs]

It's called rules of gun ownership Xo.  Of course you have to unload it before cleaning it.  The point is, if folks were to follow the 5 rules of gun ownership/responsibility, 99.9% of all gun accidents would be prevented

[Xavier_Onassis]

I agree that this is true. But once one unloads a gun, he3 no longer needs to treat it as a loaded weapon.

I have heard about a lot of gun accidents. Usually they are of three types:  children playing with a gun, idiots fooling around, often drunken idiots, and "gun cleaning accidents". I doubt that anyone has ever been shot with an unloaded gun,and from what I know about guns, it does not take a major amount of skill to unload one.

[sirs]

I agree that this is true. But once one unloads a gun, he3 no longer needs to treat it as a loaded weapon.

Well, under the guise of logic......d'uh.  If a person KNOWS its unloaded, because they PERSONALLY unloaded it, and it has never left his/her sight, of course they no longer need to treat it as a loaded weapon     

[Xavier_Onassis]

Then you do not treat a gun you unloaded as if it were loaded, do you?

That was my point.

You are such a turd: even when you agree with someone you just have to do a sirs put-down.

I feel ever so sorry for the unfortunate Mrs sirs, if such a person exists.

[sirs]

Leave it to Xo, to belabor a point that's moot, then erroneously claim I'm the one trying to disagree.  And the Mrs sirs is doing just fine, thank you.  In fact, she was a staunch anti-gun person, until I educated her on the responsibilities of gun ownership, and the handling of a firearm.  But by all means, continue with your irrelevant vestages       

[Xavier_Onassis]

I was not referring to anything regarding guns, but the annoyance of living with anyone who has to include a put down with every exchange.

[sirs]

I was (referring to guns), yet you managed to try and find something to put down in my merely referencing responsible handling of them.  Mrs sirs has been mightily grateful in being educated in such.  Yet the "professor" apparently couldn't be bothered in such, and had the knee-jerk reaction to make an issue that's not an issue

Again, one of those times where if you didn't agree with what I was referencing what I was saying, to merely move on to another post, instead of digging some uncredible hole of irrelevant point making and attempted personal slurs

[kimba1]

I was hoping this would be a topic about reality exceeding fiction. oh well

[sirs]

Ditto.  Such a tragic accident.  Granted the fella cleaning wasn't exactly considering rule #2, but your title presents a scenario where he didn't adhere to the most important rule of gun handling.  It should have been unloaded prior to his cleaning it.  As I was referring to earlier, if one follows the 5 rules of gun responsiblity/ownership, these accidents would pretty much be a non-existant reality

[BSB]

"it does not take a major amount of skill to unload one."

You wouldn't think so but I had to show a police officer how to open up a Ruger Super Blackhawk revolver, and check it. I didn't comment, but I couldn't believe it.


BSB

[Xavier_Onassis]

It is a pretty good bet that unloading a gun is not done by pulling the trigger.