Before the irrational emotional arguments start pouring in....

[sirs]

Sounds "fair".  Remind me also, don't their kids go to private schools, vs the public ones?

[Christians4LessGvt]

Sounds "fair".  Remind me also, don't their kids go to private schools, vs the public ones?

Oh yeah sure they do....just like Clintons, Gores kids
Oppose school choice but "oh no my kids are going to private school".
Just like the Dem politican who is pro gun control was arrested at the airport carrying a gun!
Elitists to the core!

[sirs]

But....but....Cu4, they just know better than us.  Remember, they're supposedly smarter than 10 conservatives. 

Ya think there maybe a few armed guards/security surrounding their kids, even at their private schools?  I'm guessing yes

[Xavier_Onassis]

The "emotional argument" here is the p!ssing and moaning of paranoid gun nuts, who have no real need for a gun, worrying that someone might make their buying a dozen more guns more difficult.

[sirs]

Yea, Plane referencing his present gift of life is only because a gun was present to defend it, is just so .....paranoid.  His family really didn't need it.  I'm sure the family could have defended Plane with some good ol'fasioned harsh language

Seeing how this question continues to be ignored (no surprise there), let's try again, so everyone else can see how actively the aquestion won't/can't be answered

Explain how you keep all the insane people from getting guns, while leaving all the "sane" folks alone & in possession of theirs, since that's apparently the crux of the problem, as you imply

[Christians4LessGvt]

SIRS.....here are things that rarely make the national news headlines:

Many of these mass shootings stop just as soon as someone with a gun shows up.

Responsible gun owners can and do prevent mass shootings from occurring and escalating.

A 1997 high school shooting in Pearl, Miss., was halted by the school's vice principal after he retrieved the Colt .45 he kept in his truck.

A 1998 middle school shooting ended when a man living next door heard gunfire and apprehended the shooter with his shotgun.

A 2002 terrorist attack at an Israeli school was quickly stopped by an armed teacher and a school guard.

A 2002 law school shooting in Grundy, Va., came to an abrupt conclusion when students carrying firearms confronted the shooter.

A 2007 mall shooting in Ogden, Utah, ended when an armed off-duty police officer intervened.

A 2009 workplace shooting in Houston, Texas, was halted by two coworkers who carried concealed handguns.

A 2012 church shooting in Aurora, Colo., was stopped by a member of the congregation carrying a gun.

At the recent mall shooting in Portland, Ore., the gunman took his own life
minutes after being confronted by a shopper carrying a concealed weapon.

[sirs]

SIRS.....here are things that rarely make the national news headlines:

Many of these mass shootings stop just as soon as someone with a gun shows up.

Wow.......you mean the attempted mass shooting pretty muched stiopped as soon as another gun aimed at them showed up??  Say it isn't so!!  What a concept!!

We can only pray more level headed legislators start to join the discussion, vs the perverted use of this tragedy to push more/previous gun control measures that would have done NOTHING to have prevented this......such as Feinstein's re-submission of her "assault weapons ban", which strangely, assault weapons are already banned.  Ahhh, but this legislation goes after weapons that "look" evil/menacing, but are semiautomatic, so they are not assault weapons in any form

Why not address the 2 areas that could do the greatest potential at decreasing these pathologic acts........improved access to mental health facilities, especially if family suspects something potentially dangerous, and to do away with the asinine "gun free zones".  A very few armed security, that could easily be budgeted in, if this is considered such a priority, can largely stop these acts, before they even get started.

Bad guys are going to get guns, regardless of the laws.  That's why they're bad. 

[Christians4LessGvt]

Wow.......you mean the attempted mass shooting pretty muched stiopped
as soon as another gun aimed at them showed up??  Say it isn't so!! 
What a concept!!

Ha Ha exactly SIRS.

Why ya think we never see mass killings at a police station?
Why no mass killings at shooting ranges, gun stores, or firearm trade shows?
Because the evil bozos know there are lots of guns there.
Why did the IslamoNazi at Ft. Hood choose the medical clinic?
Because he knew there were no guns there.
So liberals in their twisted logic create "gun free zones"...and guess what?
The "gun free zones" are where the bad guys show up to do their mass killings!
Once again liberal unintended do-gooder consequences result in disaster results!

[Xavier_Onassis]

Yeah, right. When there are guns everywhere, no one will ever get shot again.

[sirs]

And that answered the question how do you keep all the "insane" people from getting guns, while leaving all the "sane" folks alone & in possession of theirs, how again??

But to address your deflection, "guns everywhere" is not what's being advocated.  Allowing guns to be where they can be the greatest deterrent, is

[Xavier_Onassis]

Mental health is not covered by most medical insurance to the degree needed to treat, or perhaps even identify, psychopaths. Crazy people are unlikely to be employed in any job where they had insurance of any sort. The policies that my college provided paid for only a minimal amount of treatment, always with a copayment. And no,I did not use this, but I did read each policy.

Insanity is a medical problem, and our country does not provide medical treatment for mental problems. It is difficult for the Veteran's Hospitals to deal with PTSD and other mental problems. We lose more military people to suicide than to any enemy these days.

A very large number of these mass murderers are suicidal. 

There is no national database of people with a history of mental problems that could be used when people apply to buy a firearm. There should be one.

[Christians4LessGvt]

[sirs]

Xo seems to be doing quite the toe dance around a very simple question, addressing what he claims is "the problem".  So, let's ask again..explain how you keep all the "insane" people from getting guns, while leaving all the "sane" folks alone & in possession of theirs?  Pretend your President, what are you going to advocate as a plan/program? 

So far, you seem to be supporting a national data base of......people with mental problems?  Ok, let's work with that.

ANY mental problem goes on this Government database?  Fear of heights?  If treated and signed off by a physician do they come off this database?  Aren't folks supposed to divulge if they have any mental problems when going thru all the paperwork in purchasing a firearm?

[Xavier_Onassis]

I said what I said about this already.

I do not actually give a warm sh!t whether the gun nuts get to keep their damned guns or not.

[Plane]

 XO has been a good sport to offer anything like comment to us in these circumstances.

The way I think must seem very strange to him , I know this is so because it is a mirror.

The time to be civil is when civility is difficult , that is when it really is needfull, when civility is easy , the need for it is much less.

I don't mean to be civil in the measure you are done civilly, that policy is the downward spiral.